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== Out, damned hyphen ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 20:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Vertically-oriented music videos to :Category:Vertically oriented music videos

:* Propose merging :Category:Biologically-based therapies to :Category:Biologically based therapies

:* Propose renaming NO BOTS :Category:Wikipedia fully-protected edit requests to :Category:Wikipedia fully protected edit requests

:Nominator's rationale: C2A stales; all are the same obvious grammatical error of MOS:HYPHEN: {{tq|Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary)}}. All others in Special:Search/Category:intitle:fully protected are correctly unhyphenated. Note prior mass renaming/redirecting of category mishyphenations. 73.93.5.246 (talk) 23:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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{{cot|biologically discussion}}

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{{cot|fully discussion}}

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  • Comment: I have to say that having learned to hyphenate compound adjectives, I find this exception unintuitive and unclear in its scope. Which -ly adverbs are "standard"? I accept that "fully" is otherwise consistently unhyphenated in Wikipedia category names (see {{lookfrom|Category:Wikipedia fully}}), but dare I challenge the assumption that "vertically" and "biologically" are "standard" adverbs? – Fayenatic London 16:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :Standard adverb = adjective + -ly. New + -ly, newly. Vertical + -ly, vertically.
  • :Nonstandard -ly are dual adverb/adjectives like early, only: {{tq|(early, only, northerly) are not standard -ly adverbs, because they are not formed by addition of -ly to an independent current-English adjective.}} 73.93.5.246 (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :: Ah, thank you. – Fayenatic London 20:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Makes linguistic sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Support to follow the manual of style. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Rurikids ==

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:The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. C2D per RM. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose downmerging :Category:Rurikids to :Category:Rurik dynasty

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories (and soon only one). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

::I agree that we don't need two redundant categories, but imo "Rurikids" should stays as "Rurik dynasty" is improper name (btw Rurik dynasty should be renamed). Marcelus (talk) 07:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

:::I agree! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Support Hah, you're suggesting what I've been meticulously preparing for some days. :) I've Template:Diffused both cats as far as possible, and what we're left with is two almost identical cats. Per WP:C2D :Category:Rurik dynasty should be the name of the merged cat, but I think the word "dynasty" may be a bit unhelpful here, because it suggests everyone in it was a "dynast" or "ruler". :en:wikt:dynasty defines it as {{tq|A series of rulers or dynasts from one family}}. That means Olga of Kiev would, strictly speaking, fall outside the scope of "dynasty", because she was only a princess consort and then regent. More importantly, it would have to apply to every single person in the subcategories, which it doesn't. Therefore, a Reverse merge may be an even better idea. I think it may also be a good idea to rename the main article to "Rurikids" rather than "Rurik dynasty", but that may require an RM. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk)

:(after edit conflict) Ah, I see Marcelus agrees with me. :) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::@Marcelus Do you think we would need an WP:RM to rename Rurik dynasty to Rurikids? I'd be happy to initiate it. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes, I think we should, for the reasons I gave above and below Marcelus (talk) 19:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

  • That is an unexpected development. For what it is worth, I am quite sure that (nearly) all dynasty categories here on en.wp are used for the whole family, not just for the monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :Well, this is a certain inaccuracy that everyone seems to collectively ignore. A dynasty strictly speaking is "a series of people from the same family holding the same office one after another." George VI, Elizabeth II and Charles III are part of the Windsor dynasty, but Prince William is not (yet), he is part of the "House of Windsor". That's why here we should name the category "Rurikids", "House of Rurik" or "Rurikovichi". Marcelus (talk) 19:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • ::You (@Marcocapelle) may be forgiven for the confusion, because I myself have also used "dynasty" and "(ruling/reigning/royal/imperial) house" interchangeably until recently, when such categorisations here on English Wikipedia stopped making sense to me (hahaha). The second meaning of :en:wikt:dynasty is {{tq|(East Asian history) The polity or historical era under the rule of a certain dynasty}}, which is much, much broader. I must confess that I first learnt about dynasties as a concept while I was exploring Chinese history right at the same time when I made my first edits on Wikipedia; as a matter of fact, my first 3 created articles ever were about Chinese dynasties! It may also be that the word dynastie in our native Dutch language isn't as specific as dynasty in English. My Koenen Woordenboek 2006 defines dynastie as {{tq|vorstenhuis, regend huis}}. :nl:wikt:dynastie provides an even broader definition: {{tq|uitgebreide familie, inclusief aangetrouwde familie, die over twee of meer generaties invloed of macht heeft uitgeoefend, meestal in een land}}. So Prince William is not part of the Windsor dynasty, but he is part of the Windsor-dynastie! I'm just as confused as you. ;)
  • ::As a cherry on the cake: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dynasty Merriam-Webster defines dynasty as] {{tq|1. a succession of rulers of the same line of descent, e.g. "a dynasty that ruled China for nearly 300 years". 2. a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time, e.g. "born into a powerful political dynasty." "a baseball dynasty"}} The latter definition is broader, but not necessarily one of monarchical hereditary succession, and doesn't even have to be political, but can be about baseball. This second M-W definition also aligns closely with the third definition given by :en:wikt:dynasty: {{tq|(sports) A team or organization which has an extended period of success or dominant performance.}} The broad Dutch definition of dynastie as "ruling house" beyond just the rulers themselves simply doesn't seem to exist in English.
  • ::Final speculation: Last year, you and Fayenatic already renamed provincial "royal houses" in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany to "ruling families". My guess is that these categories were perhaps misnamed because our Dutch vocabulary (vorstenhuis, dynastie etc.) seems to mismatch false friends used in English that have more specific or otherwise different meanings. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I don't think adding Mussorgsky and Kropotkin to this category is such a brilliant idea. These things have been kept separate for a reason. Ghirla-трёп- 18:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :Well, that might have been a good idea when you and No Free Nickname Left first created these categories in 2005 and 2007, but the past 18 years have shown that it hasn't worked. Before I began to fix the mess, people and subcategories were randomly placed in both categories all the time. That means the category names were not clear enough to describe their functions. It is just better to separate familial ties and dynastic positions anyway. E.g. :Category:Monomakhovichi family describes everyone who directly descended from Vladimir II Monomakh, regardless of the position or "job" they had, and :Category:Grand Princes of Kiev describes everyone who actually had the position or "job" of Grand Prince of Kiev, regardless of the family they belonged to. Perhaps the confusion was destined to happen. All we can do now is fix it. I've basically already done that, and this is the last step to complete the fixing. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • ::PS: If we actually want to visualise dynasties in the strict sense of "A series of rulers or dynasts from one family", lists do the job much better than categories anyway. Lists are series of items put in a certain order (in this case chronologically), categories are unsorted groups of items that have something in common (and the default sorting of items in Wikipedia categories is alphabetically). Lists of (mostly) "Rurikid" rulers already exist, like grouped in :Category:Noble titles of Kievan Rus, the difference being that the principality rather than the family defines the list, and ruling families can switch. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • (as nominator) I do not have an objection to reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Merge as Nominated Rurik dynasty is the main article while "Rurikids" is just a redirect. (If the name is disputed, that's for an WP:RM not WP:CFD.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Merge as nom -- Rurik dynasty is the main article. If it should not have that name, the correct procedure is to change its name first. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Requested move of Rurik dynasty to Rurikids has been initiated: Talk:Rurik dynasty#Requested move 14 May 2023. I've copyedited the arguments Marcelus and I have given here as a rationale over there. You're all invited to participate. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • {{Comment}} To whom it may interest: I've nominated the Template:Rurik for deletion for reasons closely related with this CfM. It has been relisted, they are asking for "more thorough discussion and clearer consensus." Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
  • {{Accepted}} "Rurik dynasty" has been moved to "Rurikids" by unanimous agreement. Per WP:C2D, this CfM should now result in a Reverse merge. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Reverse Merge to match the outcome of the WP:RM discussion. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Result of Requested Move The main article was formally renamed to "Rurikids" at Talk:Rurikids#Requested move 14 May 2023. Tagging all participants, regardless of iVote, who weighed in prior to that change but not after for reconsideration: {{ping|Peterkingiron|Ghirlandajo|Marcelus}} - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :@RevelationDirect Should I file a WP:CR? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
  • :: I would say so; from my perspective, the consensus above clearly seems to be the follow the main article. (How those iVotes are worded vary though since an RM changed the main article's name mid-nomination.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
  • :::Yeah I had the same impression. Alright, filing a closure request. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:49, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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==Category:SVG Bleiburg players==

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== Category:Belgrano de Parana footballers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Belgrano de Parana footballers}}

:Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable, plays in the fourth tier of Argentinian football, no article in English wiki. Geregen2 (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Daughters of the Grand Prince of Kiev ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename as proposed. Caps can be discussed separately. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Daughters of the Grand Prince of Kiev to :Category:Daughters of Grand Princes of Kiev

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2E WP:C2B I just created this category myself, but then realised that the convention in :Category:Daughters of monarchs is that the latter should be in plural. Btw I'm not sure whether 'Grand Princes' should be capital or lowercase G and P in this case. I wouldn't mind either way. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Support plural per WP:C2B. I guess it should be "grand princes" without capital but I am not entirely sure. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Recurring events ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1130s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1133}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1200s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1200}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1210s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1211}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1230s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1233}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1250s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1253}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1257}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1280s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1284}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1285}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1290s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1294}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1340s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1340}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1350s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1351}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1430s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Recurring events established in 1434 to :Category:Recurring events established in the 15th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1450s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1450}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1510s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Recurring events established in 1519 to :Category:Recurring events established in the 16th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1520s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1520}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1570s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Recurring events established in 1570 to :Category:Recurring events established in the 16th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1580s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1584}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1586}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1588}}

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in the 1590s}}

::*Propose deleting {{lc|Recurring events established in 1592}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete and merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Most do not need any merging because they are already in YYYY establishments tree and Festivals established in century tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:09, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Support in principle but it is not clear why some 16th-century year categories should be merged and others deleted. Shouldn't they all be merged? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
  • {{ping|Marcocapelle}} nearly all of them are festivals, so they are already in :Category:Festivals established in the 16th century, so merging to :Category:Recurring events established in the 16th century is redundant. The years that have an event that is not a festival are merged accordingly. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Thank you for this clarification. Then I fully support the proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  • In principle Merge all to "Recurring events established in XXth century". Several of these are fairs or carnivals, which may be tied to a (religious) festival, but are rather more than that. Most of the annual categories contain nothing but one event; and the decade categories only one sub-cat. A fair was a sort of wholesale marketing event, much more than a mere festival. Whether the recurring events tree is redundant to the festivals needs to be considered separately. If anything, the festivals tree should be merged into the recurring events tree, as proposed for 12th century item (below). Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. What a ghastly edifice. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Festivals established in the 12th century ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Festivals established in the 12th century to :Category:Recurring events established in the 12th century

:Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:SMALLCAT –Aidan721 (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. Also, it is not entirely obvious that a fair falls under festivals. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Support -- The article Bartholomew Fair makes it clear this was a marketing event, held in Smithfield, just outside the city walls of London, an area otherwise used for the sale of animals to London's butchers. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:New Latin-language poets ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:New Latin-language poets to :Category:Neo-Latin poets

:Nominator's rationale: The main article Neo-Latin has been renamed to be consistent with current research into the topic, which uses the term Neo-Latin rather than New Latin. Renaming the category would match general practice. Additionally Neo-Latin poetry is a commonly researched topic, so this would be a natural and conventional term. (Apologies for starting the process as I wasn't aware of it; I should have realised.) Jim Killock (talk) 16:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Industrial buildings ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Industrial buildings to :Category:Industrial buildings and structures

:* Propose renaming :Category:Industrial buildings by continent to :Category:Industrial buildings and structures by continent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Industrial buildings by country to :Category:Industrial buildings and structures by country

:* Propose renaming :Category:Industrial buildings by heritage register to :Category:Industrial buildings and structures by heritage register

:* Propose renaming :Category:Industrial buildings by year of completion to :Category:Industrial buildings and structures by year of completion

:Nominator's rationale: To match :Category:Buildings and structures and to reflect the contents of the category. For example, neither an oil platform nor a windmill are buildings but both are located in this category. User:Namiba 15:50, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Companies based in Winchester, Massachusetts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Companies based in Winchester, Massachusetts to :Category:Winchester, Massachusetts and :Category:Companies based in Middlesex County, Massachusetts

:*:Category:Companies based in Ayer, Massachusetts to :Category:Ayer, Massachusetts and :Category:Companies based in Middlesex County, Massachusetts

:*:Category:Companies based in Hopkinton, Massachusetts to :Category:Hopkinton, Massachusetts and :Category:Companies based in Middlesex County, Massachusetts

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT (1 article). User:Namiba 15:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Buildings and structures in West Tisbury, Massachusetts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Buildings and structures in West Tisbury, Massachusetts}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat (1 article) which is already in the appropriate subcategories. User:Namiba 15:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Music festivals by date of establishment ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1810s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1818 to :Category:1818 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1818 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1840s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1845 to :Category:1845 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1845 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1846 to :Category:1846 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1846 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1850s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1855 to :Category:1855 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1855 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1858 to :Category:1858 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1858 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1860s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1861 to :Category:1861 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1861 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1869 to :Category:1869 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1869 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1870s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1873 to :Category:1873 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1873 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1874 to :Category:1874 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1874 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1875 to :Category:1875 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1875 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1876 to :Category:1876 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1876 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1880s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1888 to :Category:1888 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1888 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:*Propose deleting {{lc|Music festivals established in the 1890s}}

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1891 to :Category:1891 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1891 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1892 to :Category:1892 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1892 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1895 to :Category:1895 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1895 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

::*Propose merging :Category:Music festivals established in 1898 to :Category:1898 in music, :Category:Festivals established in 1898 and :Category:Music festivals established in the 19th century

:Nominator's rationale: delete and merge per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:West Sumatra sportspeople ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:West Sumatra sportspeople to :Category:Sportspeople from West Sumatra

:Nominator's rationale: Both categories have the same intention Stvbastian (talk) 13:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Kievan Rus' nuns ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. ✗plicit 02:18, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kievan Rus' nuns to :Category:Nuns from Kievan Rus'

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kievan Rus' princesses to :Category:Princesses from Kievan Rus'

:Nominator's rationale: Follow-up "Kievan Rus' people" > "People from Kievan Rus'" etc. and other {{xt|People from Fooland}} precedents. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

: Futher comment, renaming is especially useful here because Kievan Rus' was not a country in modern sense (as the current name suggests) but rather a geographical concept referring to all principalities that once belonged to Kiev and were mostly ruled by various branches of the Rurik dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::Well yeah, I mostly agree, except that I would call it a political rather than geographical concept. It was just as real, but just as divided, decentralised and disintegrative as the Holy Roman Empire. Like the HRE, Kievan Rus' was dysfunctional whenever there was no strong central monarchy, or otherwise a significantly institutionalised federal state/government whose unity and capacity to function wouldn't depend on the presence of a capable monarch and a smooth, peaceful transfer of power. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

: Second comment, for princesses as spouses of ruling princes, the preposition "in" might be a bit more appropriate than "from", but I do not think that the category is limited to spouses of rulers, so never mind about that. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::@Marcocapelle Exactly. I also thought "in" was a good solution for a while, but these princesses (and princes) weren't necessarily tied to Kievan Rus' in a physical or legal sense. "Princess" can also just refer to a daughter of the Grand Prince of Kiev [https://9gag.com/gag/aA13qV9 who is married off to a stranger to strengthen his alliance with Poland]. The only "Kievan Rus'" thing about her at that point is that she was originally from Kievan Rus'. The rename proposal thus describes her better. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Balinese sportspeople ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Balinese sportspeople to :Category:Sportspeople from Bali

:Nominator's rationale: Both categories have the same intention Stvbastian (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

:*That's a good point, but none of the articles here mention the people being Balinese. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::* Balinese ethnicity would only become relevant for someone who never lived in Bali. Generally speaking the overlap is huge. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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==Category:Unpopulated villages in Turkey==

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== Category:Rostislavichi family ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rostislavichi family to :Category:Rostislavichi family (Tmutarakan)

:Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion with :Category:Rostislavichi family (Smolensk). The progenitor was Rostislav of Tmutarakan. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:03, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:NUManimation ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. No quorum. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:NUManimation to :Category:NUMAnimation

:Nominator's rationale: Capitalization TheDarkX (talk) 04:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Time loop ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Time loop to :Category:Fiction about time loop

:Nominator's rationale: Retain naming scheme of parent category, :Category:Fiction about time travel. Ystapnivri (talk) 07:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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==Category:List of AA Films distributed Hindi Dubbed films==

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== Category:Soviet emigrants ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ClydeFranklin (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Soviet emigrants to :Category:Emigrants from the Soviet Union

:Nominator's rationale: Per form of the parent :Category:Emigrants from former countries. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Keep - the others follow the format of the 'people' category, which in this case is {{cl|Soviet people}}; by all means nominate {{cl|Soviet people}} first. Oculi (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Correction at most 20 out of 72 members of :Category:Emigrants from former countries use the demonym; the remainder use the form "Emigrants from Foo to Bar". Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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