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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Jewish American slave owners. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Jewish-American slave owners to :Category:Jewish American slave owners

:Nominator's rationale: Removing the hyphen to match the title with other categories in :Category:American Jews by occupation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

::Rename per C2C. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
• :Honestly, that completely slipped my mind! Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:People educated at LVS Ascot. bibliomaniac15 01:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People educated at Licensed Victuallers' School to :Category:People educated at LVS Ascot

:Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination on behalf of User:Uhooep for a category that was listed at CfD but not properly tagged. Their rationale was as follows:{{pb}}{{talk quote|LVS Ascot is the current name of the school which was formerly known as formerly known as Licensed Victuallers' School. I erroneously thought that doing a manual transfer across followed by a redirect would be ok - apologies.}} HouseBlaster^talk 19:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy Rename Per WP:C2D, consistency with main article's name. While LVS Ascot did not have a formal WP:RM, [https://www.lvs.ascot.sch.uk/ the official web site] makes clear that's the current branding. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• :Shouldn't it be Alumni of LVS Ascot? Mason (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

::: {{ping|Smasongarrison}} That seems cleaner to me too but based on the parent category, :Category:People educated by school in Berkshire, this is the current format. Totally open to a later nomination changing that though. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

::::Sounds like a good approach. I'm not opposed to the rename as written. Mason (talk) 00:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:People killed in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. bibliomaniac15 01:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Journalists killed while covering the 2023 Israel–Hamas war to :Category:Journalists killed in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war

:Nominator's rationale: All 4 Israeli journalists killed were not reporting while this happened, and similarly with Palestinian journalists it is not known in each circumstance whether they were covering the war or not. My proposed renaming is neutral and keeps with spirit of this category ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

::Comment For transparency I created the category. The "while covering the *conflict name*" was used for consistency in the parent category :Category:Journalists killed while covering military conflicts. If we're renaming, it may be worth doing the other categories as well. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge to :Category:People killed in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war since they were not reporting while they were killed. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• merge per Marcocapelle. HouseBlaster^talk 20:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Fiction about virginity. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Works about virginity to :Category:Fiction about virginity

:Nominator's rationale: :Category:Sexuality in fiction will be renamed per precedent; this category contains only works of fiction. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per actual content. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. VegaDark (talk) 00:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Fiction about communication. bibliomaniac15 01:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Communications in fiction to :Category:Fiction about technology

:Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT as largely an unnecessary distinction. These are works of fiction about tech and its effects. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Prefer rename to :Category:Fiction about communication, with merging to :Category:Fiction about technology as a second choice. Communication is a viable topic on its own, and "fiction about" is the preferable form. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• :rename per Marcocapelle Mason (talk) 01:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• :Rename to :Category:Fiction about telecommunications, which is more specific to the actual content. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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:{{yo|Zxcvbnm|Marcocapelle|Smasongarrison}} do you have thoughts on the alternative rename? HouseBlaster^talk 23:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

::I'm fine with either rename. I have a mild intangible preference for communication over telecommunication. Mason (talk) 00:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• I prefer "communication" too, because sub:Category:Fiction about social media would not fit too well in telecommunications. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Fiction about adultery. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Adultery in comics to :Category:Adultery in fiction :Category:Fiction about adultery

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT with 2 articles; otherwise would need to be renamed to :Category:Comics about adultery for definingness, as is happening for the parent through WP:CFDS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Overly narrow, not many entries, too soon to create. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when a few more articles are created. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Note that the target was speedy moved to :Category:Fiction about adultery--Ymblanter (talk) 21:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Libyan royalty and :Category:Heads of state of Libya. bibliomaniac15 01:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Libyan monarchs to :Category:Libyan royalty and :Category:Heads of state of Libya

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

::Seems to be part of the well-established :Category:Monarchs in Africa.--User:Namiba 16:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

::* The content will remain part of :Category:Kings in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:Merge per nom. HouseBlaster^talk 01:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge both as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the Department of Alaska to :Category:People of pre-statehood Alaska

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the District of Alaska to :Category:People of pre-statehood Alaska

:Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category were the specific name of the pre-state alaska isn't defining Mason (talk) 15:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, too short periods to categorize people by. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sri Lankan socialites}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only category in here is :Category:Political families of Sri Lanka‎, which doesn't belong Mason (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as actually empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:2nd-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:2nd-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:3rd-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:3rd-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:4th-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:4th-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:5th-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:5th-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:6th-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:6th-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:1st-century BC Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:1st-century BC Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:1st-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:1st-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:2nd-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:2nd-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:3rd-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:3rd-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:4th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:4th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:5th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:5th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:6th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:6th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:7th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:7th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:8th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:8th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:9th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:9th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:10th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:10th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:11th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:11th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:12th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:12th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:13th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:13th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:14th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:14th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:15th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:15th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:16th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:16th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:17th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:17th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:18th-century Ukrainian people by occupation to :Category:18th-century Ukrainian people

:* Propose merging :Category:18th-century Sri Lankan people by occupation to :Category:18th-century Sri Lankan people

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Kenyan people by occupation to :Category:19th-century Kenyan people

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Singaporean people by occupation to :Category:19th-century Singaporean people

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Taiwanese people by occupation to :Category:19th-century Taiwanese people

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Barbadian people by occupation to :Category:19th-century Barbadian people

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only a single child category in each of these, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 15:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, redundant category layer in these cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Minangkabau diaspora. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Minangkabau diaspora by country to :Category:Minangkabau diaspora

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one category in here, and it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 15:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Given we are talking about a single page, in lieu of relisting, I would ask participants to open a discussion at Talk:Fatimah el-Sharif if there is further debate about which categories the article belongs in. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 23:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Queens of Libya}}

:Nominator's rationale: Contains and applies to only one page. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

::Upmerge to all the parent categories, Libyan monarchy, Arab queens :Category:Libyan women,:Category:African queens Mason (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per Mason, but not to :Category:Libyan women because the article is already in :Category:21st-century Libyan women, and to :Category:Libyan royalty rather than :Category:Libyan monarchy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|European queens}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcat is already further down in the trees of the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete per nom. Eric ^talk 13:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete per nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Queens (title). No prejudice against speedy renomination for a potential split. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Queens to :Category:Queens (title)

:Nominator's rationale: The category is filled with subcategories of other titles. This move makes sense. It will also help avoid confusion with Queens or Queen and :Category:Queens, New York -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, ideally the whole category tree should be split between Queen regnant and Queen consort, just like in article space, but that is going to be a massive amount of work. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• :The categories exist but are subcategories of this one (:Category:Queens consort and :Category:Queens regnant). This is basically a container category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• :* I mean it a bit more elaborate: with splitting all subcategories too and ultimately convert :Category:Queens to a dab page. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• :*:I think that would be better, to be honest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Rename for Now I like the proposed title better to help distinguish from :Category:Queens, New York, a distinction we've discussed before. I would favor an eventual split though. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Banjar diaspora. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:55, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Banjar diaspora by country to :Category:Banjar diaspora

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Having a single category in here is not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 06:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Acehnese diaspora. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Acehnese diaspora by country to :Category:Acehnese diaspora

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Having a single category in here is not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 06:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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