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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the Kingdom of Quilon to :Category:Kingdom of Quilon

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:People from Kollam. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Urartu. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Urartian people to :Category:Urartu

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 1 sub-category. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. As Marcocapelle pointed out, all involved articles are already a part of the category tree that they would be merged into. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Tenochca people by occupation to :Category:Tenochca people

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with 2 sub-categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• Just delete, all content is already in :Category:Tenochca nobility. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge both. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire to :Category:People from the Carolingian Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:9th-century women from the Carolingian Empire to :Category:Women from the Carolingian Empire

:Nominator's rationale: overlapping category, as the Carolingian Empire is from 800 to 888; at minimum, rename :Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire to :Category:9th-century people from the Carolingian Empire for consistency. Mason (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom as :Category:People from the Carolingian Empire is parented by :Category:9th-century European people by nationality and :Category:Women from the Carolingian Empire is parented by :Category:9th-century women by nationality. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. There were arguments that these categories might be populate-able, but supporters noted that they can be recreated if and when they can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Kątski to :Category:Clan of Brochwicz

:* Propose merging :Category:Kamieniecki (Pilawa) to :Category:Clan of Pilawa

:* Propose merging :Category:Tomicki (Łodzia) to :Category:Clan of Łodzia

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Ustrzycki family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mortęski family}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Woyna family to :Category:Clan of Trąby

:Nominator's rationale: one person in category, upmerge to clan when possible Mason (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::All of them have a potential to be populated, I actually added one member to the Ustrzycki family cat Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:::Great find! I'm not opposed to recreating any of these categories if and when more content is available (5ish pages). Mason (talk) 01:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

::::As you wish, but isn't it against WP:SMALLCAT? Marcelus (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::Sure, everything has the potential to be populated. But I don't see a realistic potential for them happening anytime soon. I do see that some of the categories are linked to inter-language categories, but that doesn't mean the non-english language pages are going to be created anytime soon. Mason (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::WP:SMALLCAT doesn't say anything about time tresholds. Sooner or later it will definitely happen considering constant growth of Wikipedia. There is no reason to remove category that we all know potentially consist several notable items. Marcelus (talk) 21:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::It is true that smallcat "doesn't say anything about time tresholds", but it doesn't forbid it, either. It does say realistic. I don't think that it is realistic to assume that every article on wikipedia will be created. "we all know potentially consist several notable items" We don't know that. Further, extending your logic would result in creating family categories for every family, because there's the potential for notable items. Mason (talk) 21:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::::We know it for sources obviously. Most of them were influential noble families, that had many notable representatives. I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category. Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be. Marcelus (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::> I don't really see the reason for deleting them in order to just create them later. I

:::::::::Sigh... it's pretty clear that you haven't tried to consider other people's perspectives on this.

:::::::::> I just think it would be better if before requesting deletion you would actually examine sources and check for articles that can eventually be put in those category

:::::::::That's an uncharitable interpretation.

:::::::::> Look how frutiful our discussion about Glinka family turned out to be

:::::::::I don't think our discussion was fruitful. You kept making uncharitable statements and then didn't respond to my questions asking for you to explain where you get the uncharitable interpretations. Mason (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::You are making bunch of accusations against me, for no apparent reason. Marcelus (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge for now, without prejudice to recreate any of these categories when it can be populated a lot better. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Schack family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sielecki (Sas)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Marcocapelle|Lenticel}} {{u|Smasongarrison}} proposed deleting, but you both !voted merge per nom. ? Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Austerlitz family}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Ligęza to :Category:Clan of Półkozic

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat with only 1 person + the corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Clan of Wieniawa. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Białłozor (Wieniawa)}}

:* alternative would be to upmerge it into :Category:Clan of Wieniawa

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat (n<3 ) without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom's alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom as alternative to deletion --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete; page already listed at parent cat. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Southwest League of Professional Baseball}}

:Nominator's rationale: Has only one page in the category. Let'srun (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. I think that this could have been speedied. Mason (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Speedy upmerge per WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Duchy of Croatia. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia to :Category:Duchy of Croatia

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Merge. per nom Mason (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:17th-century Dutch explorers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Explorers from the Dutch Republic to :Category:17th-century Dutch explorers

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. The intersection of regime and explorer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, 17th century is more specific than Dutch Republic and all three articles fit the 17th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Dutch printers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Printers from the Dutch Republic to :Category:Dutch printers

:Nominator's rationale: The intersection between regime and printer is not defining. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :The two articles are already in :Category:17th-century Dutch businesspeople which should be parented by :Category:Businesspeople from the Dutch Republic, correct? –Aidan721 (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :* Yes you are right. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Physicians from the Dutch Republic}}

:Nominator's rationale: The intersection of regime and physicians is not defining. Note that the lone article is already in :Category:Dutch tropical physicians so merging to :Category:Dutch physicians is not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. There was less discussion on the alt merge proposal, but that is to be expected for a sub-proposal; an interested party may consider raising it as its own nomination. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers by century to :Category:State leaders by century

:* Propose renaming :Category:21st-century rulers to :Category:21th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:20th-century rulers to :Category:20th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:19th-century rulers to :Category:19th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:18th-century rulers to :Category:18th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:17th-century rulers to :Category:17th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:16th-century rulers to :Category:16th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:15th-century rulers to :Category:15th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:14th-century rulers to :Category:14th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:13th-century rulers to :Category:13th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:12th-century rulers to :Category:12th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:11th-century rulers to :Category:11th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:10th-century rulers to :Category:10th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:9th-century rulers to :Category:9th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:8th-century rulers to :Category:8th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:7th-century rulers to :Category:7th-century state leaders

:* Propose renaming :Category:6th-century rulers to :Category:6th-century state leaders

:Nominator's rationale: More precise than simply 'ruler,' which can encompass a wide range of meanings. Furthermore, this can be regarded as C2D as the primary articles are already titled Lists of state leaders by century. Kpratter (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Alt merge for the earlier centuries:

:* :Category:6th-century rulers to :Category:6th-century people by occupation

:* :Category:7th-century rulers to :Category:7th-century people by occupation

:* :Category:8th-century rulers to :Category:8th-century people by occupation

:* :Category:9th-century rulers to :Category:9th-century people by occupation

:* :Category:10th-century rulers to :Category:10th-century people by occupation

: Rationale: redundant category layer with only two subcategories, similar as for centuries earlier than the 6th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The term leaders can also encompass a range of meanings. Does it include senator, MPs, first ladies, advisors, statesman, etc.? How do we know when modern states began? How do we know which are state leaders and which are rulers of society before modern states? tahc ^chat 20:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support the renamings, as clearer in scope. *Oppose any mergers. Dimadick (talk) 21:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose since the term of 'state' carries a lot of baggage that doesn't necessarily apply to all these individuals. ― novov (t c)
• Alt merge for the earlier centuries per Marcocapelle; Defer the rest until the :Category:Women rulers by century tree has been phased out (we're at the 12th century now). Oppose "state leaders" as still very ambiguous. See User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw/Rulers for background on the ongoing process of phasing out the :Category:Rulers tree. NLeeuw (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::mild Oppose. I think that state leader is less clear. Mason (talk) 21:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:Oppose - "state leaders" is a useless made-up term. Head of government and Head of state is what you want. Rulers is fine at least until about 1790. Johnbod (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split into :Category:Legendary people by nationality and :Category:Legendary people by ethnicity. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Legendary people by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Legendary people by nationality and :Category:Legendary people by ethnicity

:Nominator's rationale: split, ethnicity and nationality are quite different things, each with their own category tree. When split, re-parent to either ethnicity or nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Legendary Abkhazian people to :Category:Legendary people and :Category:Abkhazian people

:* Propose merging :Category:Legendary Togolese people to :Category:Legendary people and :Category:Togolese people (added later)

:* Propose merging :Category:Legendary Andorran people to :Category:Legendary people and :Category:Andorran people (added later)

:* Propose merging :Category:Legendary Flemish people to :Category:Legendary people (single merge, added later)

:Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article and expansion is not very likely. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support and nominate :Category:Legendary Togolese people for the same reasons as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• {{ping|Smasongarrison|Lenticel}} I added the Togolese category to the nomination as suggested by User:AHI-3000. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

::Also consider nominating :Category:Legendary Andorran people and :Category:Legendary Flemish people as well.--AHI-3000 (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• :Still support. Mason (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• Still support thanks for the ping --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge all per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. I've moved the article to :Category:People from Ipswich. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Families from Suffolkshire to :Category:People from Suffolk

:Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated category Mason (talk) 12:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• The one article may more specifically be put in :Category:People from Ipswich. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete/Merge - note that Suffolkshire does not exist, & never has. The category was set up by an American editor. Johnbod (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Thanks for confirming. (As an American editor, I wasn't sure if that was a missing category or a erroneous name) Mason (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Family. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Family by culture to :Category:Family

:Nominator's rationale: one 1 category in it Mason (talk) 12:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Sailboat types built by McDell Marine. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:McDell Marine to :Category:Sailboat types built by McDell Marine

:Nominator's rationale: single category Mason (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The subcategory may be nominated for upmerge to its other parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Populated places destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cities destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to :Category:Populated places destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

:Nominator's rationale: I first created this category under the current title, however :Category:Destroyed populated places has since been moved from :Category:Destroyed cities and now I think this title would be more appropriate for this category. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per precedent, more and more city categories are renamed to populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Superheroes by continent. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Superheroes by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Superheroes by continent

:Nominator's rationale: rename, considering the content, "by continent" is a more appropriate name than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:57, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename and reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional criminals by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional criminals by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional engineers by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional engineers by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional military personnel by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional military personnel by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional police officers by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional police officers by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional scientists by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional scientists by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional secret agents and spies by ethnicity or nationality to :Category:Fictional secret agents and spies by nationality

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional people by medium and ethnic or national descent‎ to :Category:Fictional people by nationality and medium‎, and purge :Category:Fictional black people by medium

:Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent per actual content, these are categories simply split by nationality, not by ethnicity (save one exception). When renamed, they should also be re-parented to :Category:Fictional people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Peterson family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat, only 1 page Mason (talk) 01:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed with no prejudice against recreation if and when they can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 01:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cronstedt family residences to :Category:Cronstedt family

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures of the Rantzau family to :Category:Rantzau family

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures of the Dyre family to :Category:Dyre family

::*Keep The Dyre family is a centuries-old noble family which has owned at least a dozen different manors and at least a similar number of churches. There is thus a basuis for far more oages in this category.Ramblersen2 (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:::*Glad to see it has two now, but until those pages exist I think the category needs to be merged Mason (talk) 11:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Denmark of the Løvenørn to :Category:Løvenørn family

:* Propose merging :Category:Doughton family residences to :Category:Doughton family

:* Propose merging :Category:Booth family residences to :Category:Booth family (theatre)

:* Propose merging :Category:Bragg family residences to :Category:Bragg family

:* Propose merging :Category:Oelrichs family residences to :Category:Oelrichs family

:* Propose merging :Category:Spelling family residences to :Category:Spelling family

:* Propose merging :Category:Siegel family residences to :Category:Siegel family

:* Propose merging :Category:Ravenel family residences to :Category:Ravenel family

:* Propose merging :Category:Resor family residences to :Category:Resor family

:* Propose merging :Category:Morehead family residences to :Category:Morehead family

:Nominator's rationale: over categorized. each has just one page in the category Mason (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge all, for now, with no prejudice to recreation of any of these categories if and when more content is available. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge all, for now. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in Chinese ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:1980–81 in Chinese ice hockey to :Category:1981 in Chinese sport, :Category:1980–81 in Asian ice hockey

:* Propose merging :Category:2006–07 in Chinese ice hockey to :Category:2007 in Chinese sport, :Category:2006–07 in Asian ice hockey

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in Andorran ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:1996–97 in Andorran ice hockey to :Category:1997 in Andorran sport, :Category:1996–97 in European ice hockey

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in Emirati ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:2012–13 in Emirati ice hockey to :Category:2012 in Emirati sport

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in South African ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:2016 in South African ice hockey to :Category:2016 in South African sport

:* Propose merging :Category:2015 in South African ice hockey to :Category:2015 in South African sport

:* Propose merging :Category:2013 in South African ice hockey to :Category:2013 in South African sport

:* Propose merging :Category:2011 in South African ice hockey to :Category:2011 in South African sport

:* Propose merging :Category:1995 in South African ice hockey to :Category:1995 in South African sport

:* Propose merging :Category:1992 in South African ice hockey to :Category:1992 in South African sport

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in Taiwanese ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:2016–17 in Taiwanese ice hockey to :Category:2016 in Taiwanese sport, :Category:2016–17 in Asian ice hockey

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in Mexican ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:1999–2000 in Mexican ice hockey to :Category:2000 in Mexican sports

:* Propose merging :Category:2002–03 in Mexican ice hockey to :Category:March 2003 sports events in Mexico

:* Propose merging :Category:2004–05 in Mexican ice hockey to :Category:2005 in Mexican sports

:* Propose merging :Category:2013–14 in Mexican ice hockey to :Category:March 2014 sports events in Mexico

:* Propose merging :Category:2021–22 in Mexican ice hockey to :Category:July 2022 sports events in Mexico

:Nominator's rationale: No need for these trees. WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster^talk 00:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom. Ice hockey is poorly developed in many countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Signers of the Madrid Charter}}

:Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:CATDEF. Signing an open letter is not a defining characteristic, compared to signers of constitutions and declarations of independence. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. This typically calls for a list, and the list is already there in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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