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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nom suggested. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the Free and Hanseatic City of Bremen to :Category:People from the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen

:* Propose renaming :Category:Emigrants from the Free and Hanseatic City of Bremen to :Category:Emigrants from the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen

:Nominator's rationale: 2 categories created at 3 weeks of distance with seemingly identical scope. {{noredirect|Free Hanseatic City of Bremen}} and {{noredirect|Free and Hanseatic City of Bremen}} both redirect to Bremen (state), which states that it is called "{{tq|officially the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen (German: {{lang|de|Freie Hansestadt Bremen}}).}}" Place Clichy (talk) 23:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom Mason (talk) 05:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge/rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Physicians from the Kingdom of Prussia to :Category:Prussian physicians

:Nominator's rationale: Was emptied out of process, should be merged to the less specific category Mason (talk) 23:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Overlap. Place Clichy (talk) 23:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (Subcat moved to :Category:Israeli people by political orientation) (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Right-wing politicians in Israel}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, should be upmerged, as there is only one child category (Far-right politicians in Israel) Mason (talk) 03:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose deletion, upmerge to {{Cl|Israeli people by political orientation}} instead. No reason to remove this eligible parent category. Place Clichy (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Upmerge per Place Clichy, we apparently do not have right wing politicians categories in Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: I've populated it now, so the deletion premise is moot. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. If kept, it should be renamed to "Israeli right-wing politicians" as the standard to denote nationality is to use "FOOian" or "from FOO" Mason (talk) 03:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Merge, but since the merge target is a container category, the articles should be purged as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment: it seems that when Mason initially nominated this category, its only content was child {{Cl|Israeli far-right politicians}}. Iskandar323 then added 16 individual articles such as Likud politicians {{diff2|1176724392|Menachem Begin}}, {{diff2|1176724443|Yitzhak Shamir}}, {{diff2|1176724901|Benjamin Netanyahu}} etc.. I believe that politicians are better defined by the party they belong to (in this case {{Cl|Likud leaders}}), than by applying to them individually labels such right-wing or far-right. This is at the same time more precise and less prone to interpretation. I would therefore suggest to purge all articles already in a child of {{Cl|Israeli politicians by party}}, and if any article is left in the category, keep it. Otherwise upmerge it. {{Re|Marcocapelle|LaundryPizza03}} ping other participants for opinion. Place Clichy (talk) 20:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• : Agree, purge and then merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• ::@Marcocapelle, @Place Clichy, a quick PetScan query finds only Ron Cobi would be left. Qwerfjkltalk 18:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• ::: Ron Cobi's party, Secular Right (est. 2919) seems not to have a very large catchment besides Cobi himself, but is indeed labelled as right-wing in its article. It probably does not justify a politicians by party category. I therefore moved Ron Cobi to {{Cl|Right-wing politics in Israel}}, to allow for the merger to proceed (in fact, this should just place {{Cl|Israeli far-right politicians}} directly in {{Cl|Israeli people by political orientation}}, as it was before). Place Clichy (talk) 19:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Meo people. Some people supported deletion, but there wasn't enough to establish consensus. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:47, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Ethnic Meos to :Category:Mewat people

:Nominator's rationale: As per naming scheme in :Category:Ethnic groups in India Gjs238 (talk) 17:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Agree that this needs a renaming but given Meo (ethnic group), shouldn't the category be called :Category:Meo people? Pichpich (talk) 18:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

:* :Category:Meo people sounds more plausible indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, hardly any article mentions ethnicity. Some articles may be moved to the category discussed below. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• :Meo is an ethnic group refering to Muslim's belonging to villages from the region, hence it is plausable for the category to be named "Meo people". In terms of the standard Indian language, the correct and more appropriate title is"Mewati people". Ah507 (talk) 03:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• :* This explanation does not resolve the lack of definingness. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Meo people. In the spirit of consensus, also support Delete outcome per Marcocapelle as second-best option. In India, caste is often defining for many individuals, especially in a historical context. Article Zakir Hussain (Haryana politician), for instance, consistently links this identification with events in Hussain's biography: {{tq|He was the first college graduate in the Meo (Muslim) Community... He was responsible for the Meo Community's decision to stay in India at the behest of Mahatma Gandhi [...] instead of going to Pakistan... He was the Chaudhary (Social Head) of Meo (Muslim) Community...}} So that would certainly be defining for this article, one of the few I looked up. Other articles mention a link to the Political families of Haryana#Shri Rahim Khan Clan of Mewat (presented as "{{tq|the most prominent out of all of the Meo Muslim Clans of Mewat}}") but that's not entirely defining in the ethnic sense. So in any case if kept, the category may need to be purged of articles not eligible per WP:EGRS. Place Clichy (talk) 15:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• :I think you are unaware of the socio-religious context of the ethnic term "Meo". Meo's are the people who lived under the Khanzada Rulers of Mewat. The term Meo is region specific and religion specific as well. Meo's are considered an ethnicity under the [http://www.haryanascbc.gov.in/reservation-in-haryana/list-of-backward-classes Other Backward Class scheme of the Government of India.] (refer to BLOCK B, Number 5), which refers to socially backwards or disadvangated castes (ethnic groups) . In order to be a Meo, one needs to belong to the region and needs to be a Muslim as well, there are no Hindu Ethnic Meos. In the article Zakir Hussain (Haryana politician), the term Meo community is refering to Meos as an ethnic group. In the second article you referenced, Political families of Haryana#Shri Rahim Khan Clan of Mewat, the term "Muslim" is being used as discretional specificity because it is already known that ethnic Meo's are Muslim. Meos are legally recognized as an ethnic group or caste under the schemes of the Indian Government. Ah507 (talk) 10:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
• ::[http://www.haryanascbc.gov.in/sites/default/files/2020-08/central%20list%20of%20OBC.pdf Here is another list (refer to Entry No. 67)] released by the Government of India referring to Meos as part of the Other Backwards Class scheme. Based on this it would be appropriate to change the name to :Category:Meo people. For further clarity:
• ::- Mewat is a historical region.
• ::- Meos are an ethnic group or caste that is region specific (to Mewat) and religion specific (to Islam).
• ::- When the term "Muslim" is attached to the term "Meo", it is done discretionally.
• ::- Not every inhabitant of the Mewat region is necessarily a Meo. Ah507 (talk) 10:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
• :::Also one more thing I want to make clear is that not every Muslim from the region of Mewat is necessarily a Meo. The ethnicity has already been compounded from the previous castes and clans the poeple of this region belonged to, hence, it is impossible for someone from the region who originally belonged to another caste to adopt Islam and then be called a Meo. In short, Meos are indeed a recognized ethnic group and their ethnicity has already been established. Ah507 (talk) 10:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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::::: (answered after relisting) Based on these explanations, I still think that renaming to :Category:Meo people is the best solution, unless there is a grammatical issue I did not see. I don't think I ever argued that there existed Hindu Meos. Place Clichy (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::*Support as per Place Clichy. When I originally proposed the merge to "Mewat people" I was considering "Mewat" an ethnicity. Now that we are considering Mewat as an historical region and "Meo" as an ethnicity, renaming the category Meo people seems logical and in accordance with the scheme used in :Category:Ethnic groups in India.

::::::Gjs238 (talk) 20:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Rasborinae stubs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Empty stub category/template. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2023/September for more information. Andumé (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lt|Rasborinae-stub}}

:Nominator's rationale: Empty stub category/template. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2023/September for more information. Andumé (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename all as proposed (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Jews in Ottoman Palestine to :Category:Jews from Ottoman Palestine

::* Propose renaming :Category:Sephardi Jews in Ottoman Palestine to :Category:Sephardi Jews from Ottoman Palestine

::* Propose renaming :Category:Ashkenazi Jews in Ottoman Palestine to :Category:Ashkenazi Jews from Ottoman Palestine

::* Propose renaming :Category:Orthodox Jews in Ottoman Palestine to :Category:Orthodox Jews from Ottoman Palestine

::* Propose renaming :Category:Jews in Ottoman Syria to :Category:Jews from Ottoman Syria

:Nominator's rationale: I think that this category is supposed to be a nationality category Mason (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Rename, "from" is what we use by default. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support renaming. --Kpratter (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. It was improper to empty the category, but the only !voter cited a sound argument to delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Papua New Guinean Commanders of the Order of St Michael and St George to :Category:Papua New Guinean Companions of the Order of St Michael and St George

:Nominator's rationale: The third class of this order is Companion not Commander. Richiepip (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• The category is currently empty. Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Again, Richiepip, there is no point in having a week long discussion if you are going to empty a category out of process. There is also no point in renaming an empty category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. It was improper to empty the category, but the only !voter cited a sound argument to delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:50, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Commanders of the Order of St Michael and St George}}

:Nominator's rationale: The third class of this order is Companion not Commander. Richiepip (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• The category is currently empty. Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Richiepip, don't nominate a category at CFD and then empty it. Doing this makes a discussion pointless as you have already emptied the category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
• Emptying was simply a consequence of its entire existence being erroneous, it would not be correct for those articles to be in a category for something that does not exist. Richiepip (talk) 01:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Comment. Let other people make that judgment. Mason (talk) 05:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 20:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seasons in men's ice hockey}}

:* Propose merging :Category:2009–10 in men's ice hockey to :Category:2010 in ice hockey

:Nominator's rationale: Ice hockey seasons are not categorized for men. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:54, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Matt Gaetz}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category - unlikely that it will ever grow beyond just a few articles. Categories are not meta tags. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::He's now a significant historical figure worthy of study. --Volvlogia (talk) 17:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:::I don't disagree. But that's not a reason for creating a category. That's what wikilinks, see alsos, and nav templates are for. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::::Support delete. Eponymous categories are much rarer, serve to help navigating related topics, that can't be connected otherwise. Mason (talk) 19:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1989 in Australian ice hockey to :Category:March 1989 sports events in Australia

:* Propose merging :Category:1987 in Australian ice hockey to :Category:March 1987 sports events in Australia

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROW. Each category has one article. The tree is not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Just delete, it is odd to categorize articles about a world championship by every participating country. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Australia hosted Group D in 1987 and Group C in 1989. They weren't just participants, they were hosts. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::* The articles confused me and got me believe that it entirely took place in Austria and Sweden respectively. In that case support merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 20:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Korean language in Japan}}

:Nominator's rationale: only one page toobigtokale (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Koreans in China to :Category:Korean diaspora in China

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate scope toobigtokale (talk) 14:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. This format is unanimously approved in many CfDs: (1, 2, 3, 4...) Two of its benefits is that it unambiguously separates topic articles from people categories, per WP:COPSEP, and that it covers a wide range of topics (culture, local population seen collectively, people of recent or more ancient local presence etc.). Place Clichy (talk) 23:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Bahá'í Faith in Oceania, :Category:Religion in American Samoa, and :Category:Religion in Samoa. It was improper to empty the categories, but there were initially only two articles. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Option A: Propose splitting {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in American Samoa and Samoa}} to {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in American Samoa}} and {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in Samoa}}

:* Option B: Propose merging {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in American Samoa}} and {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in Samoa}} to {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in American Samoa and Samoa}}

:* Option C: Propose upmerging all 3 categories to {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in Oceania}}, {{Cl|Religion in American Samoa}}, {{Cl|Religion in American Samoa}}

: Nominator's rationale: Article Baháʼí Faith in the Samoas treats the history of the Baháʼís in both parts of the Samoan archipelago. A user had create the first nominated category, which does not fall under the schemes at :Category:Bahá'í Faith by country or :Category:Religion by country. I attempted to create two national categories but I was {{diff2|1178713956|reverted}} and therefore I ask the opinion of the community. Besides the main article, the only content is {{oldid2|1178723416|Malietoa Tanumafili II}}, head of state of (independent) Samoa, who was of the Bahá'í faith. Note that content relative to American Samoa is pretty light, even in the main article. My preference would be Option A (per the structure of parent and sibling categories) > Option C (seen the amount of content) > Option B. Place Clichy (talk) 13:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:* I'm for option B. From what I've seen while there is distinction of the communities there is also unity between them. However I'm not locally based - just what I've seen in the article's coverage that implies more in common than distinct between the places. Adding them to the schemes of "by country" seems more an option of adjustments. Smkolins (talk) 13:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

: Note this also affects Malietoa Tanumafili II. Smkolins (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• merging with Oceania doesn't make sense because there's a broad region of things that are more unaffiliated than affiliate? It's useful in some arenas but less so in others? my pov. Smkolins (talk) 13:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• : It's perfectly fine to have an article like Baháʼí Faith in the Samoas in {{Cl|Bahá'í Faith in Oceania}}, just like there is Baháʼí Faith in Kiribati, Baháʼí Faith in New Caledonia. When a category contains only a single topic article, it is even eligible to be speedily merged to all parent categories, per speedy renaming criterion C2F. As there are currently two articles in these three categories (with Malietoa Tanumafili II), we can seriously ask ourselves if it is more useful to keep separate categories or merge to the Oceania category. Place Clichy (talk) 14:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Option B is not currently applicable since :Category:Bahá'í Faith in American Samoa is empty. I'd prefer option C because of the very lightly populated categories, with the third merge target presumably :Category:Religion in Samoa; and otherwise defaulting to option A. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::I reverted that emptying as it seemed to happen after this nomination which we discourage. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

::* I still prefer option C for said reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 20:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Overseas Korean groups}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overlap with {{cl|Korean diaspora}} toobigtokale (talk) 11:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. Most of the content should be distributed to {{Cl|Korean diaspora by country}} (or {{Cl|Korean diaspora by continent}}) already. Place Clichy (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, all articles are already in the tree of :Category:Korean diaspora. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as applicable. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England to :Category:English expatriates

:Nominator's rationale: this entire category tree is a trivial intersection. English expatriates is sufficient Mason (talk) 04:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

:::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Barbados to :Category:English expatriates in Barbados Mason (talk) 17:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Barbados to :Category:English expatriates in Barbados

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Denmark to :Category:English expatriates in Denmark

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in France to :Category:English expatriates in France

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Iran to :Category:English expatriates in Iran

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Jamaica to :Category:English expatriates in Jamaica

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Morocco to :Category:English expatriates in Morocco

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Portugal to :Category:English expatriates in Portugal

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Spain to :Category:English expatriates in Spain

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in Sweden to :Category:English expatriates in Sweden

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Dutch Republic to :Category:English expatriates in the Dutch Republic

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the East Indies to :Category:English expatriates in the East Indies

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to :Category:English expatriates in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Habsburg Netherlands to :Category:English expatriates in the Habsburg Netherlands

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:English expatriates in the Holy Roman Empire

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Kingdom of Scotland to :Category:English expatriates in the Kingdom of Scotland

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Mughal Empire to :Category:English expatriates in the Mughal Empire

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Ottoman Empire to :Category:English expatriates in the Ottoman Empire

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to :Category:English expatriates in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Republic of Venice to :Category:English expatriates in the Republic of Venice

::::Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England in the Tsardom of Russia to :Category:English expatriates in the Tsardom of Russia

::::Category:Kingdom of England people in Newfoundland to :Category:English expatriates in Newfoundland

::::Category:Kingdom of England people in the Kingdom of Ireland to :Category:English expatriates in Ireland

::::Category:Kingdom of England people in the West Indies to :Category:English expatriates in the West Indies

::::Category:People from the Kingdom of England in the Thirteen Colonies to :Category:English expatriates in the Thirteen Colonies

::::Category:People of the Kingdom of England in Bermuda to :Category:English expatriates in Bermuda Mason (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose, this will only work if the subcategories are nominated in conjunction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
• :I've tagged them all, I think... (I used awb and an excel formula to do the renames) Mason (talk) 17:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
• :* Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• :*:Also, if the decision is to keep. The categories styled "People of the Kingdom of England" should still be renamed to "People from the Kingdom of England" Mason (talk) 00:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: the discussion has been procedural (which in this case seems to have been a Good Thing), but discussion on the proposal itself is still needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster^talk 02:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge/rename all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Irish painters. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 20:38, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Painters from the Kingdom of Ireland to :Category:Irish painters

:Nominator's rationale: Not a helpful intersection between regime and painters Mason (talk) 01:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 22:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Expatriates from the Kingdom of Ireland to :Category:Irish expatriates

:* Propose merging :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Ireland in France to :Category:Irish expatriates in France

:* Propose renaming :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Ireland in the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:Irish expatriates in the Holy Roman Empire

:Nominator's rationale: No need to narrow the category to an unnecessary distinction between regimes Mason (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge/rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 22:10, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Principality of Sedan to :Category:Sedan, Ardennes

::* Propose merging :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in Principality of Sedan to :Category:Scottish expatriates in France

::* Propose merging :Category:Expatriates in the Principality of Sedan to :Category:Expatriates in France

:Nominator's rationale: small cat, that overlaps with :Category:Sedan, Ardennes‎. The child categories only have one page in it. Arthur Johnston (poet) Mason (talk) 01:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• I suspect the principality belonged to the Holy Roman Empire before annexation by France, but I can't find any information about that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• :You might be right, but I did pick france based on the history section of the main article. My understanding is that the principality started as part of the french kingdom in 1424, broke away from the French kingdom in 1560, and then were annexed back by France in 1642. I'm not opposed to another target for the merge (but france was the only one I really saw in my brief read). Mason (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge for now, if anyone has access to other information the article can still be recategorized afterwards. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Specifically, merge the first three as proposed; delete :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in the Swedish Empire instead of renaming. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to Sweden to :Category:Scottish emigrants to Sweden

:* Propose merging :Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to Denmark to :Category:Scottish emigrants to Denmark

:* Propose merging :Category:Kingdom of Scotland expatriates in France to :Category:Scottish expatriates in France

:* Propose renaming :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in the Swedish Empire to :Category:Scottish expatriates in the Swedish Empire

:Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category: the intersection with regime isn't defining for emigrants/expatriates. Alternative idea for :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in the Swedish Empire is to merge it into :Category:Scottish expatriates in Sweden per overlapping cat Mason (talk) 00:54, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge{{strikethrough|/rename}} per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment, :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in the Swedish Empire contains Scottish military serving in the Swedish army, not particularly what I would call expatriates. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:*I would lean delete for :Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of Scotland in the Swedish Empire in this case. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::* Right, that was my leaning too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::*:Delete for Swedish empire is fine with me. I don't really have strong opinions about it. My goal is to consolidate redunant categories Mason (talk) 23:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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