Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 6#Category:Jim Gilmore

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Irish emigrants. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Ireland to :Category:Irish emigrants

:Nominator's rationale: I don't think that distinguishing by regime is helpful here. Overlapping cat Mason (talk) 21:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

:::We categorize people by their time period and geopolitical entity as a rule (":Category:Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic people, :Category:People of the Confederate States of America, etc.). You'd have to convince me why this is different, and you'd have to show how this doesn't break the existing Emigrants and Immigrants category tree, particularly :Category:Emigrants from former countries. 67kevlar (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:::* Whether the Kingdom of Ireland is a former country is arguable. It was controlled by the English both before and after the integration in the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 (talk) 17:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jewish explorers}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I violation: this intersection is not (remotely) relevant, and is thus undefining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support as per nom toobigtokale (talk) 07:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Social class in Latin America to :Category:Social class in North America and :Category:Social class in South America

:Nominator's rationale: split, using the more conventional split in continent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 03:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Metafictional video games. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Video games that break fourth wall}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category is not defining. Plenty of fictional works break the fourth wall. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Metafictional video games. Same thing, duplicate category with a typo in the name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Metafictional video games. I wouldn't say they've exactly the same thing but there's clearly not nearly enough disparity to justify a separate category. ― novov (t c) 10:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• 1. "This category is not defining". I mean exactly those games that do it in an interactive way. You need to read/edit/delete files that game creates. You need to move window outside the screen to "clean" the window and see something behind it. It is not about phrase of character "Hey player, did you know if it would in real life you couldn't swim 30 min without breathing...". Yeah such phrases are used by the "breaker" games but it is only one of the tools of those games...

:2. Games do it rarely. Cartoons, films, books also do it but they do it much more often than games and usually in a non interactive way.

:3. It is open to expansion with other items DustDFG (talk) 18:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::There is already a defining category for this, as stated above: the category for metafictional video games.

::Video games that "just" break the fourth wall once, like a one-off gag or Easter egg or side episode, but are not specifically metafictional the entire way through, are not defining enough to be listed anyway. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Armenian Apostolic Church in Azerbaijan. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Armenian churches in Azerbaijan to :Category:Armenian Apostolic Church in Azerbaijan

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::*Support, per nom Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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• :Category:Armenian churches in Azerbaijan to :Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Azerbaijan - C2C - 2 redundant categories; all Armenian churches in Azerbaijan (that have articles) were/are Armenian Apostolic, and the name would be consistent with other subcategories in :Category:Armenian Apostolic Church in Azerbaijan. Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 20:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Oppose speedy. This is not how c2c works.Mason (talk) 20:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

:*:thanks for the clarification, my bad Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Sawyer-mcdonell|Smasongarrison}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support merge. Mason (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Nakhchivan. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:29, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Armenian churches in Nakhchivan to :Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Nakhchivan

:Nominator's rationale: rename, just "Armenian" is ambiguous, the intention is that these church buildings belong to the Armenian Apostolic Church. The parent category is likewise named "Armenian Apostolic". Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

::*Support, more precise. Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Palestinian people. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 13:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Palestinian people by territory to :Category:Palestinian people

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge. This used to hold :Category:People from the Gaza Strip etc, but is now redundant to :Category:People from the State of Palestine. – Fayenatic London 11:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per above. --Kpratter (talk) 07:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 13:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Governorates of the Palestinian National Authority to :Category:Governorates of the State of Palestine

:Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C: parent is :Category:Subdivisions of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per WP:C2C. --Kpratter (talk) 07:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. The title was suggested by another person at the speedy discussion, and this is an author request. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Local autonomy in each country to :Category:Local government by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Local autonomy in Japan to :Category:Local government in Japan

:Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping topics. Local government implies some sort of autonomy for local authorities, otherwise they would be redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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• :Category:Local autonomy in Japan to :Category:Local self-governance in Japan – C2E. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

:* New created tree, but I think this overlaps too much with :Category:Local government. I.e. the target should become :Category:Local government in Japan. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

• :Category:Local autonomy in each country to :Category:Local self-governance by country – C2E. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

:* New created tree, but I think this overlaps too much with :Category:Local government. I.e. the target should become :Category:Local government by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 13:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jim Gilmore}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without potential for growth Mason (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Does not have enough articles and probably never will. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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