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== Onychophoran orders and superfamilies ==

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:The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the categories have already been deleted. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Onychophoran orders

:* Propose deleting :Category:Onychophoran superfamilies

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. The former category contains two articles, and the latter contains one, with no prospect of additional articles being added to either in the foreseeable future. I created these categories with an overly narrow understanding of what constitutes overcategorisation; an error pointed out by @Monster Iestyn. Ypna (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • {{ping|Ypna}} in this case it is quicker to tag these pages with {{Db-self}}. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Establishments in Ethiopia ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1880s establishments in the Ethiopian Empire to :Category:1880s establishments in Ethiopia

:* Propose renaming :Category:1886 establishments in the Ethiopian Empire to :Category:1886 establishments in Ethiopia

:Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, for consistency, all siblings use "Ethiopia", there are just these few categories with the deviant "Ethiopian Empire" format. Thanks to User:Liz for detecting this. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

::Support. I agree that consistency is beneficial here Mason (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Closed amusement parks ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Closed amusement parks to :Category:Defunct amusement parks

:Nominator's rationale: Category seems to be redundant; Defunct amusements parks is older and has established trees. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Just delete, merging is not needed because the articles are already deeper down in the tree of :Category:Defunct amusement parks. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Petscan [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=26026562] showed two that are not in the target hierarchy: Italia Mura and Hồ Thủy Tiên. I have remedied those two. Please run the Petscan again before deleting. – Fayenatic London 11:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I think this would require template changes to {{tl|Infobox amusement park/status}}. {{user|Ahecht}} or {{user|GeekInParadise}} may be willing to help. – Fayenatic London 11:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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==Military catering==

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== Years in Japan ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:*Propose merging :Category:1361 in Japan to :Category:1361 in Asia and :Category:1360s in Japan

:*Propose merging :Category:1362 in Japan to :Category:1362 in Asia and :Category:1360s in Japan

:*Propose merging :Category:1389 in Japan to :Category:1389 in Asia and :Category:1380s in Japan

:*Propose merging :Category:1390 in Japan to :Category:1390 in Asia and :Category:1390s in Japan

:*Propose merging :Category:1466 in Japan to :Category:1466 in Asia and :Category:1460s in Japan

:*Propose merging :Category:1467 in Japan to :Category:1467 in Asia and :Category:1460s in Japan

:Nominator's rationale: All nominated categories have only 1 article. See the precedent set at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 9#Years in Japan (1000-1800) where the consensus was to merge all categories before 1500. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Nothing to do, in fact, since the category was emptied and nobody has objected. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters to :Category:Harbourmasters

:Nominator's rationale: Rename and repurpose, as it currently only holds one article. If renamed, add :Category:Fremantle Harbour harbourmasters. I am open to broader suggestions that could also emcompass :Category:Harbour engineers, but "Harbourmasters" would probably be a useful level. – Fayenatic London 14:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
  • nah just delete as an empty category - the likelihood of the other albany harbourmastersemerging from editing by recent patterns is thin - as the Australian maritime history project didnt have port personnel anywhere - I have created the australian harbourmasters category - many of them are identified in titles of articles - but not a mention of the maritime history as a category or as a project tag... that is fairly usual... JarrahTree 09:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
  • OK, that's fine. There's no point retaining the page history, so just delete now. Thanks for populating {{c|Harbourmasters of Australia}} with a few more bios. Unless you have any more to go in {{c|Harbourmasters of New Zealand}}, though, I suggest moving Stanich up to :Category:Harbourmasters. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:People in environment ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Only dispute was about inclusion of a specific subcategory, which does not need to be resolved at CfD. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People in environment to :Category:People in environmental occupations

:Nominator's rationale: Clearer name. – Fayenatic London 14:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Science occupations ==

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:The result of the discussion was: split/purge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Science occupations to :Category:Science occupations and :Category:People in science

:* Propose splitting :Category:Mathematical science occupations to :Category:Mathematical science occupations and :Category:People in mathematical science

:** Propose purging other bio sub-cats from :Category:Mathematical science occupations to :Category:Mathematicians

:Nominator's rationale: Split to separate biography categories from articles about occupations. I have brought this for a full discussion rather than just doing it, as other editors may well be able to improve on the proposal. E.g. perhaps the first new category should rather be :Category:People in science occupations, corresponding to some others in :category:People by occupation; or perhaps the second should be :Category:People in mathematics. – Fayenatic London 13:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • Support in principle, it makes perfect sense to separate biography subcats from topic articles. I wonder if we really need :Category:People in science and :Category:People in mathematics, perhaps :Category:Scientists and :Category:Mathematicians suffice (with a little bit of purging). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
  • You are right about Mathematicians, as both the other bio sub-cats are also within Mathematicians already. But for science, I think it is worth having People in science over {{c|Scientists}}, {{c|Inventors‎}}, {{c|Scientific illustrators‎}}, {{c|Science communicators‎}}, and {{c|Science teachers‎}}. – Fayenatic London 21:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per nom, considering Fayenatic london's reasoning for having an overarching parent for different roles in science and in mathematics. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Jews by occupation ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. There is agreement that although most subcategories probably fail WP:EGRS, not all of them do. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jews by occupation}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I violation. The intersection of religion and occupation is not defining. In fact, that guideline explicitly states: {{tqq|Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic.}} Being Jewish is not relevant to being, say, an astronomer.

:Furthermore: {{tqq|Most sportspeople should not be categorized by religion, since being Catholic, Buddhist, or another religion is not relevant to the way they perform in sports. For instance, in sports, a Roman Catholic athlete is not treated as notably different from a Lutheran or Methodist athlete.}} This category and all its subcategories (save a very few relavent intersections, like {{cl|Jewish religious leaders}}) should be deleted. Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

: Again, the key point is that Jews are ethnoreligious and, as such, a Jewish person cannot be classified as religious in the same sense as an Anglican or a Roman Catholic. Further, while you are using WP:EGRS/I to justify your case, you have not mentioned WP:EGRS/E which considers ethnicity and says: {{tq|Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorising people; however, race is not}}. It goes on to give as an example: {{tq|We do have :Category:Jewish musicians, but we should not have :Category:Semitic musicians}}. That is because Jews are an ethnic group but Semites are a race which includes Arabs as well as Jews. PearlyGigs (talk) 15:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Romance words and phrases ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Romance words and phrases}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Romance names}}

:Nominator's rationale: These categories may have been intended as a counterpart to the better-populated :Category:Slavic words and phrases, but are currently not useful for navigation, as they only contain {{c|French names}}, which can be reached via other parents. – Fayenatic London 12:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  • One week after creating these, the categories' creator was put under an indefinite topic ban from the subject of names, broadly construed.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1121681977#Proposal:_topic_ban_(user:Aarp65)] The timing means that these are not quite eligible for speedy deletion under WP:G5. – Fayenatic London 12:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
  • They could serve as a container category with subcats :Category:Italian words and phrases etc. But I am not convinced that this is really needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Moksha-aligned dharmas ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Moksha-aligned dharmas}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not defining and somewhat arbitrary. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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