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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Categories by state or territory of Taiwan}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|History of Taiwanese counties by location}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Histories of counties in Taiwan to :Category:History of Taiwan

:* Propose merging :Category:History of Taiwan by location to :Category:History of Taiwan

:* Propose deleting {{lc|History of Taiwan by county}}

:Nominator's rationale: Just a huge mess delete/merge these duplicate categories Mason (talk) 23:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Merge/delete, a huge tree for only a few articles is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Merge/delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Architecture in Asia}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Asian design}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Architecture in Asia by period or style}}

:Nominator's rationale: Redundant categories/duplicate categories by the same user Mason (talk) 23:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• The categories are currently empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Comment These are recently-created empty duplicates of existing :Category:Asian architecture tree. The creator was probably inspired by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AArchitecture_of_Africa&diff=1217103556&oldid=1216672886 my recent speedy-renaming] of :Category:African architecture to :Category:Architecture of Africa (per C2D, which currently doesn't apply to other architecture-by-continent cats). I do favour the naming {{xt|Architecture of in Fooland}}, but that should happen by renaming existing trees according to procedure, not creating duplicates. Let's delete the duplicates first before considering renaming its siblings. NLeeuw (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• :PS: For a future renaming of the whole tree, I think {{tq|Architecture in Fooland}} may actually make more sense that "of", as it is almost universally applied in lower-level categories.
• :* E.g. despite top-level main article Architecture of Africa, children in :Category:African architecture by country all use {{tq|Architecture in Fooland}}.
• :* E.g. :Category:Brutalist architecture by continent has children called {{tq|Brutalist architecture in Fooland}}. And although Commons usually favours "of", here too it has :c:Category:Brutalist architecture by country with {{tq|Brutalist architecture in Fooland}}. So the creator's goal of moving towards the "in" formulation isn't so ill-thought, it's just badly applied in practice.
• :NLeeuw (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• ::I'm definitely not opposed to Architecture in FOO for a later CFD. (My goal is to just clean up the mess of the category creator) Mason (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• :::That's good to know, glad you agree. NLeeuw (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Terrorist incidents in Upper Kohistan District, Pakistan to :Category:Terrorist incidents in Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. If not merged, the category needs to be renamed to reflect that this is Upper Kohistan District Mason (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge more specifically to :Category:Terrorist incidents in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and :Category:Upper Kohistan District. The category contains only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/alt merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Crime in Shangla, Pakistan}}

:* Propose merging :Category:2024 in Shangla, Pakistan to :Category:2024 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Terrorist incidents in Shangla, Pakistan to :Category:Terrorist incidents in Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. If not merged, the category needs to be renamed to reflect that this is Shangla District Mason (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Merge but to :Category:Shangla District and :Category:2024 in Pakistan as :Category:2024 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa‎ does not exist yet. The category contains only one article which is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• {{ping|Smasongarrison}} are you okay with the alt merge as suggested by Marco? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Yep Mason (talk) 02:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Semi-round buildings}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Modernist architecture in Taiwan}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Modernist architecture in Taiwan by county}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Asian architectural styles by country}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Architecture in Asia by country}}

:Nominator's rationale: unhelpful categories made by the same disruptive user. Only have one page in them related to a current event. Mason (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, a huge tree for only a few articles is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete for now without prejudice. I expect 2, 3 and especially 5 will be useful in the future, but not at the moment. 5 will probably be the result of renaming :Category:Asian architecture by country, not of new creation (see also CfD above). NLeeuw (talk) 22:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Just noting that :Category:Modernist architecture in Taiwan by county has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Asian culture by state or territory}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Asia culture by country}}

:Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical categories. Mason (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• These categories are currently empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, recently created empty duplicates of existing cats. NLeeuw (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Geography of Taiwan by populated place}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Tourist attractions in Taiwan by populated place to :Category:Tourist attractions in Taiwan

:* Propose merging :Category:Tourism in Taiwan by populated place to :Category:Tourism in Taiwan

:* Propose merging :Category:Landmarks in Taiwan by populated place to :Category:Landmarks in Taiwan

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings in Taiwan by populated place to :Category:Buildings and structures in Taiwan by city

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings in Hualien City to :Category:Buildings and structures in Hualien City

:* Propose merging :Category:Hualien City Historic-Cultural Monuments to :Category:Buildings and structures in Hualien City

:Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful by the same disruptive category creator. Also the template the page creator used for Historic-Cultural Monuments only applies to California. OP keeps making categories and refuses to take feedback. Mason (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete/merge, "buildings" alone is an unusual sort of category, and all of these contain only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment :Category:Buildings in Hualien City has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Buchenwald concentration camp medical personnel to :Category:Buchenwald concentration camp personnel

:Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation when you only have one person in here Mason (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Upmerge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Transgender genocide}}

:Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate categorization: other than the main article, none of these topics are defined by their association with the disputed concept of transgender genocide. Some articles may need upmerging. (t · c) buidhe 21:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom Mason (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 02:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Brazilian city councillors to :Category:Brazilian municipal councillors

:Nominator's rationale: Juridically, it's called municipality, not city. See also subcategories/siblings at :Category:Councillors in South America. --MikutoH ^talk! 21:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 02:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Babson Beavers to :Category:Babson College

:Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 18:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:Keep. Standard categorization scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

::What guideline is that? Let'srun (talk) 13:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:::No formal guideline that I know of it, but it reflects the standard practice for scores of editors for more than a decade in topic areas covering hundreds of thousands of articles. What guideline is "lacks subjects"? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

• Merge for now, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Merge for now. "Standard categorization scheme." is not a good reason to keep a category. Its effectively saying this is how its been done, so no need to change it. It's effectively Argument from inertia. Mason (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 13:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Magazine editors by nationality to :Category:Magazine editors

:Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by nationality with 1 (possibly 2 categories) Mason (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Giorgio Cini Foundation}}

:Nominator's rationale: unhelpful for navigation to have the contents of the category are only vaguely related. a link would be suffient Mason (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Children of Charairongba}}

:Nominator's rationale: Totally unnecessary cat with just two entries PepperBeast (talk) 11:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italian publication editors}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the only article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

::Support. I have formally warned the page creator, who has not been responsive to the wall of messages on their talk page. Mason (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Languages with own distinct writing systems}}

:Nominator's rationale: Definition of "distinctive" seems to make this a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT PepperBeast (talk) 04:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, gives too much room for subjective interpretation and not a very defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Is a writing system "distinct" if it has one different letter in its alphabet compared to a neighbouring language? E.g. Montenegrin alphabet versus Gaj's Latin alphabet. Unofficially, you can write any language in any script. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ NLeeuw (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Titular Meitei princes}}

:Nominator's rationale: Confusing, at best. None of these people seems to be titled, or a Prince. They just seem to share a surname and are somehow related to royalty. PepperBeast (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Indian princesses and :Category:Meitei royalty. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Meitei princesses to :Category:Meitei royalty

:* Propose merging :Category:Princesses of Manipur to :Category:Meitei royalty

:Nominator's rationale: Very small cat, overlapping. PepperBeast (talk) 04:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• At the very least merge the two together per WP:OVERLAPCAT. If further upmerged as nominated then dual merge also to :Category:Indian princesses. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sanaleipak}}

:Nominator's rationale: Grab-bag of unrelated items WP:SHAREDNAME PepperBeast (talk) 03:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Meitei as a second or foreign language}}

:Nominator's rationale: Definitely WP:NONDEF PepperBeast (talk) 03:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. WP:OR as well. English is probably the second language of most continental Europeans, but we're not gonna put all ethnic groups in continential Europe in a category just because of that. NLeeuw (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Meitei language in Bangladesh}}

:Nominator's rationale: Just two articles. PepperBeast (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Linguistic groups of the constitutionally recognised official languages of India}}

:Nominator's rationale: Rather convoluted thinking, and definitely WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 03:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, it is close to plain nonsense. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete another pointless language/ethnicity WP:CROSSCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Phouoibi}}

:Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of one eponymous article, one film, and one play. PepperBeast (talk) 03:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, the articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Kangla}}

:Nominator's rationale: Basically duplicates the disambiguation page of the same name. PepperBeast (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, nearly empty category, but if populated it would be a case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Translations into Meitei}}

:Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of only two pages. PepperBeast (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Medicine goddesses to :Category:Health goddesses

:* Propose merging :Category:Medicine gods to :Category:Health gods

:* Propose merging :Category:Medicine deities to :Category:Health deities

:Nominator's rationale: Seems like a lot of overlap/duplication. PepperBeast (talk) 03:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Not sure about the semantics, but seems like medicine is a human activity or product, while health is said to be bestowed upon humans as a blessing by deities. NLeeuw (talk) 20:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• {{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} do you mean merge, or is there a reason you object to recategorization? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Oh my mistake, yes I meant Merge. NLeeuw (talk) 02:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Aborted. I think I've ballsed this up slightly and will re-list. (non-admin closure) PepperBeast (talk) 11:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Abundance goddesses to :Category:Agricultural goddesses

:* Propose merging :Category:Food goddesses to :Category:Agricultural goddesses

:* Propose merging :Category:Harvest goddesses to :Category:Agricultural goddesses

:* Propose merging :Category:Abundance gods to :Category:Agricultural gods

:* Propose merging :Category:Food gods to :Category:Agricultural gods

:* Propose merging :Category:Harvest gods to :Category:Agricultural gods

:* Propose merging :Category:Abundance deities to :Category:Agricultural deities

:* Propose merging :Category:Food deities to :Category:Agricultural deities

:* Propose merging :Category:Harvest deities to :Category:Agricultural deities

:Nominator's rationale: Seems like a lot of overlap. PepperBeast (talk) 02:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Maintenance deities}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Maintenance gods}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Maintenance goddesses}}

:Nominator's rationale: Rather strange category. I couldn't really find much to support it as WP:CATV, and the articles included weren't much help. PepperBeast (talk) 02:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:::Agreed The majority of pages in this category don't make much sense being here. Vishnu would be the only exception, but he may be better referred to as a god of preservation. Invokingvajras (talk) 03:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

::Support deletion, what the hell does "Maintenance deities" even mean anyways? Also delete :Category:Abundance deities too for the same reasons. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:::I actually think Abundance deities should be changed to Wealth deities and Commerce deities should be merged into that. PepperBeast (talk) 01:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Never heard of them, and there don't seem to be RS for them either. Seems like some Wikipedia category maintenance is in order... NLeeuw (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Company editors}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italian company editors}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italian company editors by type}}

:Nominator's rationale: I'm nominating this category and, by extension :Category:Italian company editors and :Category:Italian company editors by type because I can't find a definition on Wikipedia of what a "company editor" is and so I don't know who would or would not be included in this category. Categorization on Wikipedia is not supposed to be ambiguous and so I think either a definition should be included on a main space article or this category needs to be deleted or renamed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Support per nom. Mason (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Aruba to :Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings and :Category:Roman Catholic churches in Aruba

:Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There are only 4 churches in this entire tree, which is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, per nom, but only one article needs to be moved manually to :Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings, the other two articles are already in a subcategory by year. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep at least until CI becomes an available feature. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

:* What is CI in this context? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

:*:To the closer: This IP is most likely WP:Long-term abuse/Hong Kong geography warrior. Mason (talk) 21:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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