Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 10#Category:Suicide attempt

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. I've purged Muslim South African sportspeople and merging to South African sportspeople is redundant. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Muslim South African sportspeople to :Category:South African Muslims and :Category:South African sportspeople

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Muslim sportspeople}}

:Nominator's rationale: Merge/delete Non-defining intersection between religion+occupation per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, per nom, but single merge :Category:Muslim South African sportspeople to :Category:South African Muslims because the articles are already in :Category:South African cricketers etc. Also purge because for a number of people it is not clear whether they were Muslim at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:History of Transylvania by topic to :Category:History of Transylvania

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from West Greenwich, Rhode Island to :Category:People from Kent County, Rhode Island

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 17:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:African-American archivists to :Category:American archivists

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::*Keep per WP:EGRS. You should not cite EGRS without actually looking at whether reliable sources exist discussing the topic in detail. A quick search reveals that this is a widely recognized intersection by the Society of American Archivists and within the Black community.--User:Namiba 14:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

::*:I support this. It's important to recognize scholars and archives workers through their ethnic and racial identity as well as simply American archivists. Black people were restricted from U.S. library and archives buildings and the profession as a whole for much of those institutions' histories. The category is modeled after [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African-American_librarians| African-American librarians], which again was created to recognize Black librarians that have historically been excluded from libraries and library science training. Stephestellar (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

::*::Apologies - African-American librarians Stephestellar (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, African Americans don't archive differently from other archivists. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• :Support in principle, but we should also merge to African-American curators. Mason (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• :* Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• :In fact, they may approach archives work differently. See "[https://nyti.ms/3WCFwOj African-American History Seen Through an African-American Lens]," for example Stephestellar (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• :Because of systemic discrimination, non-white people often do practice their profession differently in many cases. This was especially true during the 350 years of overt racial discrimination in the United States. As an encyclopedia, it is important to recognize this. It is also important to adhere to guidelines like OCEGRS, which highlight this.--User:Namiba 14:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Namiba and Stephestellar, seems to be a defining intersection. Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Pakistani women graphologists to :Category:Pakistani graphologists

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as a non-defining intersection between a specific branch of psuodoscience +gender +nationality Mason (talk) 17:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. We do not need diffusion by nationality either. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk) 17:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Warriors of Central and South America to :Category:Indigenous warriors of the Americas

:Nominator's rationale: I think that we should rename this category to be more reflective of the contents and match other similar-ish categories, like Indigenous military personnel of the Americas Mason (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support, "Central and South America" is a very unusual territory to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Suicide attempt}}

:Nominator's rationale: Newly created and badly-named category of unclear necessity. Apart from the head article about the concept, there's only one article about an individual suicide attempt here, and even that is actually about an academic's theory that a notable person made an unpublicized suicide attempt rather than about a fully verified event.
We do not have any other standalone articles about unsuccessful suicide attempts to file here, however -- and while we do have a limited number articles about successful suicides that have achieved notability as events, even {{cl|Suicides}} mainly comprises the suiciders' main biographical articles themselves rather than spinoff articles about their suicides as independent topics: by and large, "Suicide of X" articles only exist if and when the event is notable but the person themselves was not previously notable in life in order to qualify for a conventional biographical article, and virtually never exist as separate spinoffs from the biographical article of a person who had already passed notability standards before offing themselves.
So this isn't needed just to hold two articles, but the lack of any other standalone articles about unsuccessful suicide attempts means the only way to expand this would be to start adding biographical articles to it, which would be both (a) unmaintainable, and (b) an extreme WP:BLP minefield.
And even if there were a reason to keep this, it would have to be renamed to the plural {{cl|Suicide attempts}} anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, agree the adding of biographies will become a BLP minefield. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I agree that this would only make a modicum of sense if it was titled {{cl|Suicide attempts}} (plural) but that's a bad idea for many reasons, including WP:V issues, a WP:BLP nightmare and the fact that attempting suicide may not be a defining characteristic. Pichpich (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 12:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Ancient Hindu kingdoms to :Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India

:Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope, most ancient Indian kingdoms were Hindu kingdoms and most ancient Hindu kingdoms were Indian kingdoms. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Vedic kingdoms were not Hindu kingdoms, so the proposed merge is more encompassing. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1522‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1522

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1559‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1559

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1561‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1561

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1567‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1567

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1582‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1582

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1602‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1602

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1603‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Infrastructure completed in 1603

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1605‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1605

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1611‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1611

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1613‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1613

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1614‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1614

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1615‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1615

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1616‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1616

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1629‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1629

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1631‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1631

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1634‎ (2 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1634

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1636‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1636

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1639‎ (2 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1639

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1642‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1642

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1648‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1648

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1652‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1652

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1653‎ (2 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1653

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1657‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1657

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1663‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1663

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1670‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1670

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1673‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1673

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1681‎ (2 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1681

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1682‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1682

:* Propose merging :Category:Canals opened in 1692‎ (1 P) to :Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and :Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1692

:Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly single-article categories, this does not help navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  09:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1693 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1693

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1667 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1667

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1629 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1629

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1679 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1679

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1638 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1638

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1641 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1641

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1678 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1678

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1651 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1651

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1623 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1623

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1632 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1632

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1656 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1656

:* Propose merging :Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1640 to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1640

:Nominator's rationale: merge, per precedent in this earlier discussion. The above categories weren't caught in the previous discussion as they have never even been added to the Cultural infrastructure tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Thanks for doing the heavily lifting on these! Mason (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Former Hindu temples to :Category:Hindu temples and :Category:History of Hinduism

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:18th-century African-American people by occupation to :Category:18th-century African-American people

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one occupation in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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