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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Video games based on Rick and Morty to :Category:Rick and Morty and :Category:Video games based on animated television series

:Nominator's rationale: This category has only two articles. it is better off to move to these two to the desired categories, similarly to how we merged other categories that also had only two articles such as :Category:Video games based on the Fairly OddParents QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. I assume that these two pages are already linked. Mason (talk) 03:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

::Support - completely makes sense for two article categories to be merged out. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sunar}}

:Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category with no content but the eponym. There was one other thing here, but it got draftified for lacking sources, so now the eponym itself is all that's left — and even if the draft got restored to mainspace, this category would still need more than just two things in it to be justifiable anyway. Note, however, that the category has existed since 2011, so I can't tell whether it was always that small or was larger in the past and has been hollowed out by deletions and draftifications and such — but it isn't grandfathered just because of its age, and its oldtimer status just means I can't justify speedying it as a single-entry eponymous category instead of bringing it here for discussion. Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles about the topic are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/delete. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:1783 in Hong Kong to :Category:1783 in China

:* Propose renaming :Category:1783 establishments in Hong Kong to :Category:1783 establishments in China

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 18th century in Hong Kong

:Nominator's rationale: Anachronistic category. Hong Kong was not its own thing yet in 1783; it was just straight-up part of China at that time, not its own polity, and did not become a separate entity until 1841. So a thing established in 1783 was not established in "Hong Kong", it was established in China -- and no other year prior to 1841 has "YYYY in Hong Kong" categories at all, so this isn't needed just to anachronistically overcategorize one thing. Categories for that era do exist for China, with this specific year being a redlinked outlier rather than an anachronism, so these can reasonably just be moved to "China" rather than being left at "Hong Kong". Bearcat (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

::That sounds alright to me, too - OpalYosutebito (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Rename/delete per nom. Note that after renaming the categories should be reparented accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Literary critics by language. Moving to :Category:Literary critics by language as it's a better fit for the pages here. (non-admin closure) Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Literary critics by ethnicity to :Category:Literary critics

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a single category isolated like this. Mason (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
• I created the category because I needed a parent category for :Category:Aromanian literary critics. Now it is getting nominated for deletion. Sooner or later someone editing in the Kurdish topic area (for example) will also need this category (unless no Kurdish literary critics have ever existed). They'll create the category and again it will have one single member and find itself here. What is the sense of this? Just leave the category and it will enlarge with time. There is no benefit from this. Super Ψ Dro 09:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::Now there's another category. Super Ψ Dro 09:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

:::Please don't make categories with one page in them. Creating Kurdish literary critics isn't helpful unless you populate it. Mason (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::::Why are you requesting me that I do not create appropriate categories? There must surely be other Kurdish literary critics, this is an ethnic group of around 40 million people. It is not helpful to expect one user to bother addressing arbitrary nitpicks in obscure technical areas of Wikipedia rather than letting the categories naturally grow. Deleting the categories is helpful to exactly zero readers. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

:::::I have spent 20 minutes looking through Kurdish writer biographies to find literary critics. The category now has 5 people. There were some other biographies who were described as "critics" which were probably fit for the category but didn't want to risk it because I am not an expert on Kurdish topics. It should have been someone who was, rather than me pushed by an useless nomination, that populated the category.

:::::Regarding Aromanians I am the author of dozens of Aromanian biographies in Wikipedia. I will eventually get my way to other Aromanian literary critics and use the category. I wouldn't have created the category if I didn't know it'd be included into several biographies in the future. The category will exist in some years anyway and deleting it right now is only to fullfill a false sense of order. I ask not to be pushed into rushing new articles just for the sake of this nomination. This is not the purpose of volunteering at Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 17:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::::::I'm not suggesting you not make categories that can be populated. I'm asking you to only make categories that you can populate. If you can't take the time to populate a category that you've created when you've created it, that's not fair to other people. Mason (talk) 20:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• It should be under :Category:Literary critics by language if it concerns an ethnolinguistic group, and if that is not the case then it is a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::{{tq|It should be under Category:Literary critics by language if it concerns an ethnolinguistic group}} this is your own opinion. We have many categories of profession and ethnicity. Language and ethnicity are not the same, the latter categories are necessary for stateless groups. In some of the categories at :Category:Literary critics by language, there are people not belonging to the ethnic groups that speak those languages. For example at :Category:Literary critics of Arabic there are Luc-Willy Deheuvels and Emilio García Gómez. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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::Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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:Merge per nom. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename :Category:Women nobility, :Category:British women by rank‎, :Category:English women by rank and :Category:Italian women nobility‎ to :Category:Noblewomen, :Category:British noblewomen, :Category:English noblewomen, and :Category:Italian noblewomen‎ respectively. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:British women by rank to :Category:British women nobility :Category:British noblewomen

:* Propose renaming :Category:English women by rank to :Category:English women nobility :Category:English noblewomen

:Nominator's rationale: rename to align with parent :Category:Women nobility. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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::@Marcocapelle shouldn't this be :Category:British women nobility? And :Category:English women by rank should be :Category:English women nobility? Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

::* You are right, I mixed up the two. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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::Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:38, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Includes many people (e.g. dames, wives of knights and baronets, debutantes, maids of honour) who aren't part of the nobility. These need to be purged from :Category:Women nobility as well. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Fair enough to remove dames etc. from this category tree. That can be done in conjunction with the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• :Category:Women nobility is a terrible name and should be renamed :Category:Noblewomen (and similarly for relevant subcats). No one uses the phrase "women nobility". Mclay1 (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* That is a fair point, there is :Category:Scottish noblewomen too. I will tag the main category to be renamed to :Category:Noblewomen. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Rename :Category:Women nobility, :Category:British women by rank‎, :Category:English women by rank and :Category:Italian women nobility‎ to :Category:Noblewomen, :Category:British noblewomen, :Category:English noblewomen and :Category:Italian noblewomen‎ respectively. Mclay1 (talk) 00:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:* I have tagged :Category:Italian women nobility‎ too. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• {{ping|Omnis Scientia}} as the discussion went into a different direction you may reconsider your earlier support. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle, if its the alternative rename by @Mclay1 then I support alt rename. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::Delete. I think that these categories shouldn't exist as an intersection between gender and title, but if the decision is to rename, I'd support the alternative rename. Mason (talk) 15:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• :::FYI. {{ping|Johnpacklambert}} has created several categories during this ongoing CFD (e.g.,:Category:Noblewomen of the Kingdom of Hungary‎). I asked him to hold off until there's a consensus.Mason (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• :::* {{ping|Smasongarrison}} I guess you intend to propose merge rather than delete? It may be better to leave that to a follow-up discussion, so that you can elaborate on the appropriate merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• :::*:Thanks, yep you're right, I did mean merge, and I agree that that would make sense as a followup dicussion. (I love that you're able to consistently divine my intent!). Mason (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: option B. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:;Option A

:* Propose splitting :Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates to :Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland sidebar templates and :Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland navigational boxes

:;Option B

:* Propose renaming :Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates to :Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates

:Nominator's rationale: I came across this because it is a category whose name starts with "List of", as that is generally not an applicable name for categories. Each of the templates here is a list, but we usually describe templates listing things as WP:Navigation templates. However, :Category:Wikipedia navigation templates is split at the top level into navigational boxes and sidebar templates. It would be appropriate either to do that split here, or simply to rename the category as :Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates. – Fayenatic London 13:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• If there is no support for a split, then Option B should go ahead by default, as removing "List of" would have qualified for speedy renaming under C2B & C2C. – Fayenatic London 18:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Option B at minimum, removing "List of" from the category name. I have no opinion about option A. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Option B I don't think there are enough sidebars to require a split here. But I'm not strongly opposed to it if someone else feels otherwise. Either way, "List of" should be removed. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Virginia Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Virginia Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Texas Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Texas Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Tennessee Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Tennessee Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:South Carolina Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:South Carolina Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:North Carolina Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:North Carolina Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Missouri Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Missouri Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Mississippi Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Mississippi Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Kentucky Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Kentucky Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Louisiana Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Louisiana Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Georgia (U.S. state) Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Georgia (U.S. state) Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Florida Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Florida Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Arkansas Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Arkansas Democrats

:* Propose merging :Category:Alabama Dixiecrats to :Category:Dixiecrats and :Category:Alabama Democrats

:Nominator's rationale: Dual merge Updated: merge all per WP:NARROWCAT ONLY to :Category:Dixiecrats. Most of these categories have 1 article each. Only one has more than five. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, at least to :Category:Dixiecrats. I am less sure about the state Democrats category as the second merge target, but not opposed to it. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• I'm fine with this. This should go to Dixiecrats and given the number of Dixiecrats who would already be included in their state Democrats category the second seems to be a moot point to which I am not opposed.--Mpen320 (talk) 16:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• :@Mpen320, @Marcocapelle -- I've decided to remove the second target and keep only :Category:Dixiecrats as the target. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Veterans' rights activists}} to :Category:Veterans activists

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Veterans' rights activists by nationality}} to :Category:Veterans activists by nationality

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Australian veterans' rights activists}} to :Category:Australian veterans activists

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Dutch veterans' rights activists}} to :Category:Dutch veterans activists

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Zimbabwean veterans' rights activists}} to :Category:Zimbabwean veterans activists

:Nominator's rationale: Per the recent discussion for :Category:American veterans activists, the term veterans activist is broader and clearer than veterans' rights acitivist. Veterans activists encompasses veterans' rights acitivists anyway and also opens the category to people who campaign for funding, healthcare, welfare, etc. not just "rights". Mclay1 (talk) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Rename, just "rights" seems to be too narrow. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Rename, per nom. --NFSreloaded (talk) 22:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Rename, per nom. Hugo999 (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• :Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Society of the Middle East to :Category:Society in West Asia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Protests in the Middle East to :Category:Protests in West Asia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Political movements in the Middle East to :Category:Political movements in West Asia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Gender in the Middle East to :Category:Gender in West Asia

:Nominator's rationale: Follow-up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 8#Middle Eastern countries to West Asian countries. West Asia and the Middle East largely overlap, so we do not need both category trees. It is better to keep West Asia because it is consistent with other subcategories in :Category:Asian society by region. Purge Egypt if/where needed. Sakakami (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge/rename, the difference between West Asia and Middle East is too small to keep them both. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Marge/Rename (?) , although if Turkey is a "West Asian" country, then perhaps Cyprus and Egypt are too (despite suggestions under 'West Asia countries"?) Hugo999 (talk) 23:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC).

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People from Dali to :Category:People from Dali Bai Autonomous Prefecture

:Nominator's rationale: match parent and Dali Bai Autonomous Prefecture. I'd think this should be "the Dali Bai Autonomous Prefecture" but neither the article or the other cats use "the". Queen of Hearts (talk) 02:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Rename, also to avoid confusion with Dali City. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Batteries in Australia‎ to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Australia‎

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Batteries in Bermuda to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Bermuda

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Artillery batteries in Canada to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Canada

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Artillery batteries in France to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in France

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Batteries in Gibraltar to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Gibraltar

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Batteries in Malta to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Malta

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Artillery batteries in Spain to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in Spain

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Artillery batteries in the United Kingdom to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in the United Kingdom

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Artillery batteries in the United States‎ to :Category:Artillery battery fortifications in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PRECISE

:There is 1 main article, Artillery battery, that has 2 meanings I created categories for:

• 1: Units and formations of soldiers who use artillery (:Category:Artillery battery units and formations)
• 2: Fortifications used for firing artillery from protected locations (:Category:Artillery battery fortifications)

:All of the nominated subcats are for the latter and, while the proposed name is longer, I think the proposed name would be clearer for reader navigation. (Alternatively, we could just add "Artillery" to the shorter category names per WP:C2D.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Rename, the articles are about fortifications indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• :Support rename. I think it makes it much much clearer what the scope of the category is Mason (talk) 16:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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