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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 01:20, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Disambig-Class Star Trek pages to :Category:?

:Nominator's rationale: The category name is misleading: 15 of the 23 pages in this category are not "Star Trek pages", they are dab pages that contain some Star Trek-relevant entries. How about "Disambiguation pages with Star Trek entries"? Paradoctor (talk) 23:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Purge all but those entries which are exclusively related to Star Trek. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• :I can see where there is an interest to track dab pages with Star Tre-related entries, so maybe this option should be a split instead?
• :FWIW, I think keeping these together seems preferable. Paradoctor (talk) 13:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose any action. This category tracks use of {{t|WikiProject Star Trek}} on talk pages of disambiguation pages, and is the standard naming convention of the massive :Category:Disambig-Class pages tree. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
• :It's a bad habit, then. Paradoctor (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose renaming per HouseBlaster. The normal talk-page categorization by WikiProject and class should remain. Though I don't really see why most of these would be of much interest to WikiProject Star Trek. SilverLocust 💬 12:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Identity theft victims}}

:Nominator's rationale: None of the 8 people in this category seem to be defined by being victims of identity theft. My first choice is deletion. If not deleted, I think that this category should be repurposed to Impersonated people, so that it can be a broader. ^SMason_Garrison 18:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, not a defining characteristic. SRamzy (talk) 09:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Pesma za Evroviziju contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• :@D4NT3023 FYI, you really need to directly link the comment, so that people can find it after the discussion is relisted. ^SMason_Garrison 18:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• ::Thanks, will do that now D4NT3023 (talk) 15:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Outside of sources directly discussing their participation, most sources do not mention {{lang|sr-Latn|Pesma za Evroviziju}} at all. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete While I'm generally opposed to performance categories, this one seems especially obscure. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Nationaal Songfestival contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. For the people who didn't win, their {{lang|nl|Nationaal Songfestival}} participation isn't even mentioned in their article, yet they have the category. The people who did win should be categorized under :Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for the Netherlands. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Agreed. SRamzy (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete The articles I clicked on didn't even mention this. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Festivali i Këngës contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Again non-defining for the non-winners, and the winners can be categorized under :Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Albania. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete The articles I clicked on were pretty bare bones; but nothing here hints this is defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Eesti Laul contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Clicked through some articles and isn't treated as defining. (Frankie Animal does mention it in the lede, but that article could use further refinement.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete; non-defining. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Beovizija contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Betty Boop (band)#Band history shows the kind of category clutter WP:PERFCAT could lead to. This doesn't seem defining at all. - RevelationDirect
• Delete: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation.SRamzy (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete; non-defining. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Benidorm Fest contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete; non-defining. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|You're a Star contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Clicked on articles and this is treated as a passing reference, classic WP:PERFCAT. Including Charity You're a Star further makes this non-defining, since all of those contestants are already famous. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Turkvision Song Contest entrants}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Doesnt' seem generally defining, although I'm not positive because the articles are pretty bare bones. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Participants in the Bundesvision Song Contest}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep: See comment below D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Clicked through several articles and it's a mix of passing reference or not being mentioned at all. Clear WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Eurovision Young Musicians Finalists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep: See comment below D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Not defining. SRamzy (talk) 16:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete/Comment The articles portray this as a performance among others so not defining. But, since the parent category is named ":Category:Eurovision Young Musicians", I do wonder if deletion will just lead to these biography articles being added in good faith back to the tree later. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Eurovision Song Contest conductors}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The Eurovision Song Contest generates a lot of publicity, but categories are qualitative (e.g. conductors), not quantitative (by amount of publicity). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:PERFCAT#Performers by production or performance venue. - jc37 17:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep: See comment below D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete If we categorized these people by every performance it would create clutter and this doesn't seem clearly defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete; these people are not notable for their ESC conducting. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: This does seem a violation of WP:PERFCAT and WP:NONDEFINING. These people are paid to conduct, so more like musicians in a scripted performance. SRamzy (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|American Song Contest contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete American Song Contest had 8 episodes over 1 season and most the people in this category were already famous. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dansk Melodi Grand Prix contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Articles I clicked on were a mix of not mentioning this or mentioning it in passing with other performances. Classic WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants by year
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1959
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1960
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1971
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1985
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1986
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1987
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1988
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1989
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1990
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1991
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1992
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1993
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1994
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1995
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1996
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1997
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1998
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 1999
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2000
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2001
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2002
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2003
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2004
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2005
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2006
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2007
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2008
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2009
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2010
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2011
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2012
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2013
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2014
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2015
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2016
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2017
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2018
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2019
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2020
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2021
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2022
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2023
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2024
• :Category:Melodifestivalen contestants of 2025

{{div col end}}

Nominator's rationale: I believe these to be WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violations (see previous discussion where parent category was nominated which was a procedural close)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete all: Not WP:PERFCAT violation, but WP:NONDEFINING violation. SRamzy (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete All Clearly WP:PERFCAT and already listified in the articles, like Melodifestivalen 2018. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Although several artists are notable pretty much exclusively for their Melodifestivalen participation(s), after doing a bunch of searches for sources it still appears to be non-defining even for them. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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• :Category:Melodi Grand Prix contestants
• :Category:Melodi Grand Prix composers

Nominator's rationale: Renominating these categories (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violations. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Comment/Possible Keep: As a response to all of the above nominated "performers by production" categories, I'll just add my two cents – you make mention to the performers by production rationale, but I feel like that does not really apply. For some of these competitions, it is the norm for the same singers to return year after year and their career and notability as artists exist almost entirely on competing in these competitions multiple times, almost making them recurring cast members rather than one-time performers. Now this is of course a case-by-case kind of thing and there are some categorized artists who likely have only competed in one of these competitions a sole time so it is not defining for them, and I'm not sure what to make of those situations. But take Melodifestivalen for example, where if you go to almost any competing artist's article – Ace Wilder, for example – you'll see that details about her numerous participations in Melodifestivalen take up the bulk of her article and her Melodifestivalen entries are her only notable songs. So I feel like claiming "Melodifestivalen contestants" is a non-defining category here is kind of just not true, it is incredibly defining of her career as an artist and notability, and this is the case for a lot of these artists who are categorized here. Of course, it is case-by-case, but painting it all with a broad stroke like you're doing is just not accurate to me. As was also mentioned in the additional discussions, "performers by production" seem to refer to simple performances (like in a play or TV series), not participations in a competition. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 14:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The example of Ace Wilder isn't convincing at all as she had many other performances too. The defining characteristic of the article is that it is about a musician and the article is already in numerous musician categories. (talk) 15:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• :This objection by Marcocapelle isn't convincing at all, since the argument would fail if an artist only ever entered on competition on one date: her entry would nonetheless be defining, since she would be remembered for that entry on that date. (Apologies: in attempting to copy your name, somehow the ID became invisible and I haven´t been able to reinstate it.) SRamzy (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• {{anchor|D4nt3}}Keep I'm failing to see how all of these nominated categories fall under WP:PERFCAT, especially {{lc|Eurovision Song Contest entrants}}, considering Eurovision is indisputably the biggest music contest in the world. National finals that receive their own entrants categories tend to be those that are high-profiled in their countries and internationally to warrant having their own article, and by extension, categories relevant to them. I don't even agree with the fact that Eurovision entrants by year categories were deleted but I can see some reasoning for that D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: as per my previous comments, (re: Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants), contestants in a music competition (1) are not WP:PERFCAT violations (since every competition is unique, not a scripted performance); and (2) are not WP:NONDEFINING violations (since the competitors are defined by their entry in the competition). I agree with comments above by {{anchor|D4nt3}} and Jjj1238. The objection by Marcocapelle isn't convincing at all, since the argument would fail if an artist only ever entered on competition on one date: her entry would nonetheless be defining, since she would be remembered for that entry on that date. SRamzy (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Based on some of the keep !votes I was expecting something different in the articles, but it's pretty consistently a passing reference to the contest in the career section of the article. Even if somehow these contests were exempt from WP:PERFCAT, this isn't even close to WP:DEFINING enough to aid reader navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politicians arrested in Turkey to :Category:Turkish politicians

:Nominator's rationale: ^SMason_Garrison 02:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

::Support per reasoning below. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, if not kept the category should be deleted instead of merged. The articles are already deeper in the tree of :Category:Turkish politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Support: Being arrested is not uniquely defining. SRamzy (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per WP:BLPCRIME. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politicians arrested in the Maldives to :Category:Maldivian politicians

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being arrested for a crime and occupation. ^SMason_Garrison 02:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. We don't classify people by having been arrested. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, if not kept the category should be deleted instead of merged. The articles are already deeper in the tree of :Category:Maldivian politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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::Support per nom. As commented above by LaundryPizza03 We don't classify people by having been arrested. SRamzy (talk) 10:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per WP:BLPCRIME. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from the Crown of Aragon to :Category:People from the Kingdom of Aragon

:Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. ^SMason_Garrison 16:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm. Technically Valencia, the Balearic Islands and Sicily belonged to the Crown of Aragon but not to the Kingdom of Aragon. The articles directly in this category are about people from the Kingdom of Valencia or the Kingdom of Majorca. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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::Would purging be a better solution? ^SMason_Garrison 18:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

::* {{ping|Smasongarrison}} I don't think so, the articles do belong together. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

::Category:People from the Kingdom of Aragon should be a subcat of :Category:People from the Crown of Aragon, which was the overarching unit (assuming, that is that one could really come from a composite monarchy... it's a bit like having a :Category:People from the Commonwealth. Furius (talk) 00:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Completely agree that :Category:People from the Kingdom of Aragon should become a subcat of :Category:People from the Crown of Aragon instead of a parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep; I noticed it may complicate other navigation. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:RMS Titanic's crew and passengers to :Category:RMS Titanic

:Nominator's rationale: Only two categories and two articles here which isn't helpful for navigation. Upmerge to parent category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{clc|Category:New Zealand Women's Ice Hockey League}} to :Category:Ice hockey leagues in New Zealand, :Category:Women's ice hockey leagues, and :Category:Women's sports leagues in New Zealand

:* Propose merging {{clc|Category:New Zealand Women's Ice Hockey League teams}} to :Category:Ice hockey teams in New Zealand, :Category:Women's ice hockey teams, and :Category:Women's sports clubs and teams in New Zealand

:* Propose deleting {{clc|Category:Amateur ice hockey leagues in New Zealand}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROW. Just the league article and one team article. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom, as merge rather than delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Shooting civilians following mistaken identification to :Category:Accidental civilian shootings

:Nominator's rationale: This current name is awkward. My best attempt right now is "Accidental civilian shootings", but I'd love better ideas. I'm also not sure if this counts as defining, so that's also worth discussing. ^SMason_Garrison 22:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

::The proposed name, :Category:Accidental civilian shootings, is much broader than the current name, it includes many accidents while using the weapon (cleaning it, checking it, etc). It is a different category. דוד שי (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• It is something like :Category:Bypassing people who were shot after being mistaken for a criminal. The parent categories do not make much sense, the only reasonable parent category I can think of is :Category:Victims. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm guessing these are already properly othewise categorized, and this (a) is pretty awkwardly named, (b) can't really think of a beter one, and (c) isn't especially definable as a splitout from (the various subcategories of) :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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• At second glance, I am supporting deletion, per The Bushranger. If the creator of the category User:דוד שי wants to salvage this, they might try a (section of a) list instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• :I'm fine with deletion. ^SMason_Garrison 18:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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