Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 21#German Confederation

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Lists of tennis commentators to :Category:Lists of announcers of American sports events

:Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category, upmerge to the parent category. Let'srun (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Tennis commentators. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:1815 in Germany to :Category:1815 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1816 in Germany to :Category:1816 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1817 in Germany to :Category:1817 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1818 in Germany to :Category:1818 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1819 in Germany to :Category:1819 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1820 in Germany to :Category:1820 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1821 in Germany to :Category:1821 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1822 in Germany to :Category:1822 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1823 in Germany to :Category:1823 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1824 in Germany to :Category:1824 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1825 in Germany to :Category:1825 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1826 in Germany to :Category:1826 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1827 in Germany to :Category:1827 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1828 in Germany to :Category:1828 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1829 in Germany to :Category:1829 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1830 in Germany to :Category:1830 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1831 in Germany to :Category:1831 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1832 in Germany to :Category:1832 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1833 in Germany to :Category:1833 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1834 in Germany to :Category:1834 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1835 in Germany to :Category:1835 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1836 in Germany to :Category:1836 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1837 in Germany to :Category:1837 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1838 in Germany to :Category:1838 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1839 in Germany to :Category:1839 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1840 in Germany to :Category:1840 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1841 in Germany to :Category:1841 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1842 in Germany to :Category:1842 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1843 in Germany to :Category:1843 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1844 in Germany to :Category:1844 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1845 in Germany to :Category:1845 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1846 in Germany to :Category:1846 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1847 in Germany to :Category:1847 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1848 in Germany to :Category:1848 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1849 in Germany to :Category:1849 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1850 in Germany to :Category:1850 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1851 in Germany to :Category:1851 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1852 in Germany to :Category:1852 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1853 in Germany to :Category:1853 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1854 in Germany to :Category:1854 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1855 in Germany to :Category:1855 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1856 in Germany to :Category:1856 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1857 in Germany to :Category:1857 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1858 in Germany to :Category:1858 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1859 in Germany to :Category:1859 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1860 in Germany to :Category:1860 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1861 in Germany to :Category:1861 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1862 in Germany to :Category:1862 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1863 in Germany to :Category:1863 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1864 in Germany to :Category:1864 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1865 in Germany to :Category:1865 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1866 in Germany to :Category:1866 in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1820s in Germany to :Category:1820s in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1830s in Germany to :Category:1830s in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1840s in Germany to :Category:1840s in the German Confederation

:* Propose renaming :Category:1850s in Germany to :Category:1850s in the German Confederation

:Nominator's rationale: rename, there was no unified German country until 1871. The German Confederation (1815-1866) was a loose connection of independent states which also included Austria and Bohemia. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

: This is follow-up on this earlier discussion, {{ping|PearlyGigs|Fayenatic london}} pinging contributors to this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

::Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Rename all per above and 10 July discussion. Thanks for the ping, {{u|Marcocapelle}}. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Jewish American slave owners to :Category:American slave owners

:Nominator's rationale: merge per previous precedent here Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

::Pinging @Marcocapelle and @Smasongarrison from previous Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• :Support per nom as long as everyone is already in American Jew category. Mason (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

::::@Smasongarrison, there were a few which weren't but I've added them to the appropriate subcats of :Category:American Jews. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

:::::Thanks! Mason (talk) 23:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle A five minute Google search can show you that the intersection is notable, defining, and widely written about. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
• Merge as proposed. OCEGRS definitely applies here. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• :And the fact that the subject of Jewish slave owners is widely written about is irrelevant? Why doesn't that literature and research make the intersection defining? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The topic of Jews and slavery is widely written about. A cursory look at the category for :Category:Judaism and slavery shows that Wikipedia also has a number of articles on the subject. There are plenty of scholarly mentions on [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=Jewish+American+slave+owners&btnG= Google Scholar] and elsewhere. The historical ignorance of deletion-happy editors on the subject is not a good reason to delete this category. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:* The books confirm that Jews kept slaves just like white people. There is nothing particular Jewish about keeping slaves. A reference to WP:TRIVIALCAT may have been more accurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:*:I agree. American slave owners belonged to a range of religions and so religion was not a defining factor. Within OCEGRS, the same applies to ethnicity. Having said that, some of the other sub-categories at :Category:American slave owners are open to question. PearlyGigs (talk) 07:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jewish businesspeople}}

:Nominator's rationale: My speedy delete nomination was declined [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Jewish_businesspeople&oldid=1232183153] (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_July_8) because there have been more recent mixed opinions of the intersection of being Jewish and several occupations (e.g., Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_14#Category:Jewish_merchants; Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_August_29#Category:Jewish_sportspeople; link:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?sort=create_timestamp_desc&search=Jewish&prefix=Wikipedia%3ACategories+for+d&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns10=1&ns14=1 for a search of CFDS with the word Jewish, sorted by most recent]);Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_12#Category%3AJewish_British_slave_owners). I think that this category is problematic under WP:EGRS given that it is primarily based on a stereotype rather than a defining intersection. I recall that several business-related child categories have been deleted over the same concern. (I think that Jewish Bankers is an exception because of the historical context of banking in Europe being a non-Christian occupation because of usury) Mason (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

::@Omnis Scientia, do you remember with business occupations were recently deleted? (My brain is telling me that you were in those conversations.)Mason (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

:::@Smasongarrison, no I wasn't but I would say this one should be deleted. A lot of Jewish businesspeople, historically speaking, so WP:EGRS applies. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

::::Thanks! (Lol, my bad. I should clearly stop listening to my brain 🤣 for advice!) Mason (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fire temples in Azerbaijan to :Category:Fire temples and :Category:Religious buildings and structures in Azerbaijan

:* Propose merging :Category:Fire temples in Georgia (country) to :Category:Fire temples and :Category:Temples in Georgia (country)

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, 1 and 2 members respectively. Both were created by an editor who was subsequently blocked for WP:SOCKING. – Fayenatic London 14:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, while WP:SMALLCAT is inactive as a guideline, this size of categories is obviously not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cathedrals in Baku to :Category:Cathedrals in Azerbaijan and :Category:Churches in Baku

:Nominator's rationale: merge, :Category:Cathedrals in Azerbaijan is otherwise nearly empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 16:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Oriental Orthodox monasteries in Azerbaijan to :Category:Christian monasteries in Azerbaijan

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. Contains Armenian Apostolic sub-cat, and 1 page Yerits Mankants Monastery which says it was affiliated with Armenian Apostolic Church. Move page into subcat and upmerge. The other parent :Category:Oriental Orthodox monasteries by country already holds the subcat via :Category:Armenian Apostolic monasteries by country, so a dual merge is not needed. – Fayenatic London 08:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. I have already moved the article to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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