Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 31#Category:Labyrinths

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Women association football journalists to :Category:Association football journalists and :Category:Women sports journalists

:Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; three way intersection between gender, a sport, and a profession. There's no other sport specific women journalist category except this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also per WP:FINALRUNG: as part of :Category:Women sports journalists they will also be in subcategories of :Category:Sports journalists by sport. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Merge as per above. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:List of cabinet templates to :Category:Cabinet navigational boxes by country

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cabinet templates to :Category:Cabinet navigational boxes

:Nominator's rationale: The first category is currently mis-named as a list. Its contents are national templates. Both only contain navigational boxes, so might as well be renamed accordingly. – Fayenatic London 16:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Agree in principle with both of nom's points, but both categories could be named "by country". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• I envisage moving the country sub-cats in the parent down into the first-nominated category, but the parent will still hold 3 pages for which there are no national sub-cats (specific cabinets of Congo, Maldives and Tunisia). – Fayenatic London 18:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• :{{yo|Marcocapelle}} am I correct that you now support the nomination? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• :* {{ping|HouseBlaster}} yes. I'm assuming FL will implement the further clean-up when the discussion is closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Boston Review people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|FilmInk people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|The Narwhal people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|The Times Literary Supplement people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Australian Geographic people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Archaeology (magazine) people}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Each category has less than five articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, largely a matter of WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{cl|Recipients of the Ordre de la Santé publique}}

:* Propose deleting {{cl|Commanders of the Ordre de la Santé publique}}

:Nominator's rationale: Belated follow up to :Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 30#Categories of recipients of orders of merit and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Category:Recipients of the Order pro Merito Melitensi. As in the link discussions, the award is not defining (WP:NONDEF). Qwerfjkltalk 15:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Grand Palais}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category has only two pages and, unless someone can demonstrate that more entries belong, probably should be deleted _pbp 13:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, the articles are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit (talk) 17:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Labyrinths}}

:Nominator's rationale: This is a combination of articles related to the Labyrinth from Greek mythology and a collection of other unrelated things that use the word labyrinth or look like a labyrinth. There is no meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth to need to categorise those mazes separately, and there doesn't appear to be enough articles related to the original Labyrinth that it needs its own category. The Greek mythology articles are already connected through other Greek mythology categories. Anything inspired by the Labyrinth can go in a category such as :Category:Classical mythology in popular culture. MClay1 (talk) 12:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Selectively merge to :Category:Mazes and :Category:Mazes in culture, as nom says there is not a need to categorize them separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose There are meanings of labyrininth beyond Greek mythology, and several other archaeological findings relating to them. Dimadick (talk) 06:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• :What meanings? [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/labyrinth Cambridge Dictionary] says labyrinth is a synonym of maze. The Labyrinth of Minos was just the proper name of that maze, and the name gets applied to similar mazes. There are sources that say a labyrinth is different to a maze in that it has only one winding path (though that distinction is not universal), but by that definition, the Labyrinth is not a labyrinth. As it stands, the category is poorly defined, and I don't think any definition would include enough content to justify its existence. MClay1 (talk) 10:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::The ancient Labyrinth wasn't anything, it's a mythological place. It was commonly depicted as a maze with one path in antiquity, but the actual story supports multiple interpretations. – Joe (talk) 12:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the category needs clearing up, that's all. There are entries that don't belong in the category like Arkville Maze and Chakravyuha and there are others that do belong like Labyrinth Mountain and Labyrinth of the World and Paradise of the Heart. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:* {{ping|D.S. Lioness}} what is different about Labyrinth Mountain and Labyrinth of the World and Paradise of the Heart except that they use the word labyrinth? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:*:It is a category for anything to do with the word Labyrinth. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:*::That is not a legitimate category per WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:NONDEFINING. Mclay1 (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. In modern usage there is a meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth. A maze is a form of puzzle, with branching paths. A labyrinth has just one path and is used for contemplation. They're two distinct architectural forms with distinct purposes and histories. That distinction isn't very well explained in our coverage right now, but it should be. The ancient Labyrinth (which was the Labyrinth, i.e. the one the Minotaur lived in) is a third topic. I'm not quite sure how best to reflect that in categories—perhaps with :Category:Labyrinths listed under :Category:Mazes and :Category:Labyrinth or :Category:The Labyrinth for the ancient stuff?—but in any case it shouldn't be deleted. – Joe (talk) 12:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• :As I said, that distinction between maze and labyrinth is not universal, and there are not enough articles about such labyrinths to require a separate category. Looking at the current contents, only three or four of the articles are about architectural labyrinths. Mclay1 (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. There does seem to be a meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth, in the sense that all labyrinths can be described as mazes, but only some mazes are labyrinths: e. g. only physical or architectural mazes, in some way resembling the original. One would not normally describe a printed puzzle or a mouse maze as a labyrinth; if one does so, it is a metaphor presumably referring back to the Labyrinth, unless some other use can be demonstrated. Thus labyrinths seem to form a valid subcategory within mazes. P Aculeius (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Selectively merge to :Category:Mazes and :Category:Mazes in culture - Appears to be an instance of WP:SHAREDNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Hamadryad to :Category:Dryads

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There aren't many dryads with articles to make it worthwhile to subcategorise them into what specific type of dryad they are. This category doesn't intersect with any others so it doesn't aid navigation to have it as an additional layer. (If kept, it should be renamed :Category:Hamadryads.) MClay1 (talk) 09:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Battles involving the Charanas}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category is based on caste of India, they have added article even if one person named Charan is in battle, such category can't be allowed, the main Caterogy :Category:Battles involving India does not have any such caste specific battles Jethwarp (talk) 09:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, Charanas are listed as belligerents in neither of the three articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Korean independence activists to :Category:Activists for Korean independence

:Nominator's rationale: rename, in the current name it is unclear whether "Korean" refers to independence or to activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

::Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

::Rename per nom 104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Mild oppose, I don't see the need for clarification. Can't independence activists be assumed to belong to the relevant territory before it was a country? – Fayenatic London 21:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• :There were non-Korean activists. {{cl|Foreign supporters of Korean independence}}; this cat will be a child cat of the renamed cat 104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• :: Ah, thanks, I understand now. But IMHO it's already clear enough that the category is about Korean independence, not Korean activists. – Fayenatic London 18:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• :::I could go either way honestly; @Smasongarrison described it as confusing, and I can understand why, but the confusion impact for most people I think will be low; "Korean independence activist" is almost universally the phrase used to describe such people. seefooddiet (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::::Rename. I think that the rename would make it more easily distinguished, so that it's clear that we're talking about the cause, not the nationality. Individually the name as is would be fine. However, I think that it can easily get lumped in with other Korean activists categories where those categories are explicitly about nationality. Mason (talk) 20:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Question: is this a test nomination, to be followed by a full listing of all subcats of :Category:Independence activists by nationality? – Fayenatic London 21:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Fayenatic london}} the nomination was triggered by the existence of sub:Category:Foreign supporters of Korean independence. I hadn't considered a broader nomination yet, as the reason for the nomination is local. But if this goes ahead a broader nomination is probably useful anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:People executed in British North America by hanging. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People executed by British North America by hanging to Category:People executed in British North America by hanging.

:Nominator's rationale: There was no central government of British North America; it was a collection of British colonies. The use of "by" suggests that the individual was hanged by the government of British North America. Changing it to "in" leaves it open which colonial government in BNA was responsible for the hanging. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• :Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• :Rename per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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