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:The result of the discussion was: rename per option B ({{tq|Category:Fooian baseball players by populated place}}). (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming

::* :Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia

::* :Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico

::* :Category:Baseball players from the Dominican Republic by populated place

::* :Category:Baseball players from Venezuela by populated place

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• : C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• ::@Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, ":Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
• ::::@Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
• ::::*U.S.: :Category:Baseball players from New York City
• ::::*Taiwan: :Category:Baseball players from Taipei‎
• ::::*South Korea: :Category:Baseball players from Seoul
• ::::*Puerto Rico: :Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
• ::::*Canada: :Category:Baseball players from Toronto
• ::::*Australia: :Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
• ::::*Mexico: :Category:Baseball players from Mexico City
• ::::I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::@Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• ::::::The overwhelming majority of subcategories in {{cat|Sportspeople by country and populated place}} uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::::@Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::::@Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• ::::::::It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::::* {{ping|Omnis Scientia}} the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::::*:@Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::::::*:And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Omnis Scientia}} this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

:*:@Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• If you look at :Category:American sportspeople by sport and populated place, most of these categories are titled "Sportsplayers by populated place in country" not "Sportsplayers in/from county by populated place". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: So we have two options here: A: rename to "Category:Baseball players from Foo by populated place"; or B: "Category:Fooian baseball players by populated place". Either way, the split should be at the end and should be "populated place" per recent Cfds. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

::Pinging the following from speedy discussion: @Armbrust, @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, @Liz. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

:::I support renaming to either option. I have a slight preference for B for no particular reason. As long as we're consistent, I'm content. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Option B, "populated place" per recent continuing precedent, "fooian" as the standard in the tree of :Category:People by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:Convert :Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr

:Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::Keep: This category appears regularly as a feature on early Ordnance Survey maps. Leutha (talk) 08:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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::@Leutha Can you explain the importance/definingness of the category because I'd really like to understand the logic. Happy to support keeping it in that case. Mason (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

::I have added material to the page Alder carr which clarifies their importance and defining characteristics. Many appear also to be found in SSSI's and I suspect their appearance on older OS maps drives from their use as harvested coppice's but I would not want to venture into original research on a wikipedia page! Leutha (talk) 13:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Iran articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|South Sudan articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italy articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|France articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Slovakia articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Central Asia articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Serbia articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Montenegro articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Catholicism articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|European Microstates articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Africa articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Fantasy articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vatican City articles with deprecated tags}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|United States articles with deprecated tags}}

:Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by a template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. @Gonnym, I think you should combine all these "deprecated tags" categories under one banner. They are a bit spread over the page and it would also make deciding easier. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Update: I've taken the liberty of combining all these Cfds into one just to make it easier to a) vote on and b) close. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Post-independence history of Bengal to :Category:Late modern Bengal

:Nominator's rationale: merge, both this category and its parent contain only a few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Seems reasonable to combine them. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Early modern history of Bengal to :Category:History of Bengal

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine to :Category:Prostitution in the Middle East

:Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge, now there is only one article and I see no potensial for the growth. Aldij (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• :Support per c2f. And the merge target works for me because the sole page is already in some State of Palestine categories. Mason (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per C2F. NLeeuw (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Firelei Báez}}

:Nominator's rationale: Contains only two non-free files and not even the main article Firelei Báez. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Fwiw I have added the main article to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as creator, main article + files seems useful enough for a cat. I don't feel too strongly about it but would like to see that for other people who have both articles and media here. – SJ + 01:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

:* That is not useful for as long as there aren't a sufficient amount of other articles about the topic that readers can navigate too. See also WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Indian music series to :Category:Indian music television series

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Just delete, all articles are already in the tree of :Category:Indian music television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• delete per Marcocapelle --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons to :Category:IK Sirius Fotboll

:Nominator's rationale: Single-article uncategorized category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Merge as per nom Josey Wales ^Parley 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Note :Category:Åtvidabergs FF seasons, :Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) seasons and :Category:Örebro SK seasons are also 1-article categories. Gjs238 (talk) 15:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Higher Walton F.C. players}}

:Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized, single-article category for a defunct football club without a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

::Keep, just needs some research for other footballers to be added to it - I simply have not got around to it yet (and where are the Lancastrian football experts who could be doing so???) In Vitrio (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as per LaundryPizza03 and Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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