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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Meitei culture. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Animals in Meitei culture}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category of just two items. PepperBeast (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but merge to :Category:Meitei culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Panthoibi}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. This is what disambig. pages are for. PepperBeast (talk) 18:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, duplicate of Panthoibi (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Pakhangba}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. This is what disambig. pages are for. PepperBeast (talk) 18:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, only two articles in the category which already link to each other directly. As soon as there are quite a few articles about Pakhangba temples we may start a dedicated category for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Ningthou to :Category:Meitei gods

:Nominator's rationale: I can't 100% work out what this category is supposed to represent. The members of the category appear to be Meitei/Sanamahist gods, but the article Ningthou says that Ningthou is an old title for the King of Manipur. We already have a category Meitei gods, so I think the right action is probably to merge. PepperBeast (talk) 18:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but just delete because articles are already in (a subcategory of) :Category:Meitei deities when applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Football hooliganism in the Czech Republic to :Category:Association football hooliganism

:Nominator's rationale: Merge for now, as it only contains 1 article. No prejudice against re-creation if there are more WP:DEFINING instances in other articles. – Fayenatic London 16:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, we shouldn't have any articles about football matches in this tree, only articles that are about hooliganism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Labor ministers of the Bahamas to :Category:Labour ministers of the Bahamas

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TIES, Labour is the spelling used in The Bahamas. [https://www.bahamas.gov.bs/wps/portal/public/gov/government/contacts/Cabinet%20Ministers/!ut/p/b1/vZPLcqJAFIafJQ9gaO64bEBo7rfmIhsKxKAggoqCPP3ozCxSU5VkM0mfVVf953x1vuomUiIh0mN-21f5sO-O-eF5T7mMBqoFISNYKgs4oIWuCV0eUYLCPgLrjwMOA77qj4kEre-83FnjCvrZbpMfSn-TKYq271Ggqf1Zu3gUK0mMtsgWUcCdSpSDOO2rmuScxVrRmNotUbZQ82vQNffUmUOzHOZwgWLtJrn1pJey5YWsqhu6lGjcyLKhds7IayMq7pibtNi7dNShwokRWSC1w3HnJFPRX1ZvBUUnQKSZybG8l5e_u4IPDvxyV51I90X7Om7aV_BKLQErkALNUTwQKJaI6jXFyxftj4ZtajCnW981u9A3vZ2MO94_o-awGOUdnx0r3VDzw7Ym11xOqtFhrko42mnO0rjD8ATjTJrgNQ-Ui6S07j41c1FvYrKxk8yY2k5CVoa4TD5UK-7uS9dhSfP01PrruioCfBOvpa1ErbcLMqEtSBzfhq5a9oLZ6Nssd1inD43dab7gM32JinBwXP_tiE6JIHpJJWyeqmIi_cyGY1BfBJ4v53fgE93rR4B_NwFHAGgkgH5AekDwWQITCWCyoL732tzMfg1GYGNI2VjXAA5JezY9G68ma8hJLFsTkCNjkOHdWo2z3TSkPchuGfmhCOXBOUThv0CHwssHUCI5I2RBoFLfDVRZR3g44rELWQoA6ceB5HcB1ccPk55KsfhUSiMEOZMWAPPTQO6_A23UtVuib8Obyd4CbZG_K_jyC3AUhzI!/dl4/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/ See here for the Bahamas cabinet] AusLondonder (talk) 12:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, normally I wouldn't vote in English-language matters, but the source is quite convincing. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
• Marcocapelle, I assume you mean rename? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
• {{ping|Qwerfjkl}} oops yes, I mean rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame inductees}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NARROWCAT (and possibly WP:OCAWARD). I created this category but I can't find inductees beyond 2015 even though the HOF remains open. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. Let'srun (talk) 14:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:16th-century Croatian historians to :Category:16th-century Croatian writers and :Category:16th-century historians and :Category:Croatian historians

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one page in here, not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 04:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just delete, the one article is about someone born in what is currently Slovenia and, more importantly, wrote in Slovene. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Yugoslav palaeographers to :Category:Yugoslav historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Norwegian palaeographers to :Category:Norwegian philologists and :Category:Norwegian historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:New Zealand palaeographers to :Category:Linguists from New Zealand and :Category:New Zealand historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Indian palaeographers to :Category:Indian philologists and :Category:Indian historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Greek palaeographers to :Category:Greek philologists and :Category:Greek historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Croatian palaeographers to :Category:Croatian philologists and :Category:Croatian historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Austrian palaeographers to :Category:Austrian philologists and :Category:Austrian historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:* Propose merging :Category:Dominican Republic palaeographers to :Category:Dominican Republic historians and :Category:Palaeographers

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one person in each of these categories, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Single merge to :Category:Palaeographers, the first merge target has become redundant after I added articles to the tree of :Category:Historians by century and nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• :Thanks! Mason (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Dominican Republic historians to :Category:19th-century Dominican Republic writers and :Category:Dominican Republic historians and :Category:19th-century historians

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just dual merge, not to :Category:Dominican Republic historians because the article is already in :Category:20th-century Dominican Republic historians. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:10th-century Indian politicians to :Category:10th-century Indian people by occupation

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only on category in here, not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, also because monarchs aren't politicians anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Armenian sculptors to :Category:19th-century sculptors and :Category:19th-century Armenian artists and :Category:Armenian sculptors

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. One person in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just dual merge, not to :Category:19th-century Armenian artists because the article is already in :Category:19th-century Armenian painters. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:18th-century Armenian politicians to :Category:Armenian politicians and :Category:18th-century Armenian people and :Category:18th-century politicians

:* Propose splitting :Category:17th-century Armenian politicians to :Category:Armenian politicians and :Category:17th-century Armenian people and :Category:17th-century politicians

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one person in both these categories, unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 01:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Single merge to :Category:17th-century Armenian people and :Category:18th-century Armenian people. The article is about a diplomat, not a politician. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:17th-century Croatian women writers to :Category:17th-century women writers and :Category:Croatian women writers and :Category:17th-century Croatian women

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century Croatian actresses to :Category:19th-century actresses and :Category:19th-century Croatian women and :Category:Croatian actresses and :Category:19th-century Croatian people

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. (last merge target is because the :Category:19th-century Croatian women is non-duffusing) Mason (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just dual merge, not to :Category:Croatian actresses because the article is in :Category:Croatian stage actresses. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep :Category:Malaysian diaspora in Singapore; merge the others to Category:Foo–Malaysia relations. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Malaysian diaspora by country to :Category:Malaysian diaspora

:* Propose deleting

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in China}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Thailand}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Taiwan}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Singapore}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Japan}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Indonesia}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in India}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Germany}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in France}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in the United Kingdom}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in the United States}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Canada}}

::*{{lc|Malaysian diaspora in Hong Kong}}

:Nominator's rationale: All of these have one category layer and/or one article which is unhelpful for navigation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

::Note: The diaspora by continent categories in :Category:Malaysian diaspora have a similar problem. Only one layer which is of "people by descent". IMO, the parent category should be simplified to :Category:Malaysian expatriates, :Category:Malaysian emigrants, and :Category:People of Malaysian descent for the time being. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete all but Kedai Makan may be added directly to :Category:Malaysian diaspora. Apart from this one article about a restaurant this is all content about people, for which we already have a category tree by itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• :Done. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose deletion of Singapore category which also holds 4 articles about buildings. Deletion of the parent "by country" can still go ahead as the Singapore category will still be parented by :Category:Malaysian diaspora in Asia. – Fayenatic London 11:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Singapore, merge the others to Category:Foo–Malaysia relations, without prejudice for a later re-creation if more content emerges. Indeed this layer is not very useful it it only contains a people of Malaysian descent category. However the Singapore category has other content (about Malay mosques), and Malays are a significant component ethnicity of Singapore. Also, the Fooian people of Malaysian descent categories need to be kept within the bilateral relations category. Place Clichy (talk) 13:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per {{u|Place Clichy}} – good call. – Fayenatic London 16:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• Agree with merging too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:16th-century Danish memoirists to :Category:Danish memoirists and :Category:16th-century memoirists and :Category:16th-century Danish writers

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't helpful for navigaition Mason (talk) 00:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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