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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Defunct NBA G League venues}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. None of these venues are defined by formerly hosting G League games. User:Namiba 22:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Works about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related works

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Films about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related films

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Literature about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex literature

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Novels about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related novels

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Documentary films about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related documentary films

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Photography about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related photography

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Television works about intersex}} to :Category:Intersex-related television works

:Nominator's rationale: See Talk:Films_about_intersex#Requested_move_14_November_2024, Talk:Literature_about_intersex#Requested_move_18_November_2024, and Talk:Television_works_about_intersex#Requested_move_18_November_2024. Based on :Category:Lesbian-related_television, :Category:LGBTQ-related television, and :Category:LGBTQ literature (siblings/cousins/analogues/relatives). Per this comment by {{u|Spookyaki}}. Web-julio (talk) 22:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support as nominated. Raladic (talk) 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• :{{ping|Paul_012|QuietHere|Chaotic Enby|Fayenatic_london|Theparties|Lewisguile|Erik|Historyday01}} {{u|Alison}} since you voted in the discussions I mentioned here and the below nomination, you might be interested in this CfD. Web-julio (talk) 17:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Support as nominated. Lewisguile (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Support as nominated. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::I'm fine, and support, with the proposed re-naming that you have put forward. I think it is MUCH clearer than the current category names. Thanks for the mention. Historyday01 (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Support per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename all. "Intersex in history" will go to "Intersex history". (non-admin closure) Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex}} to :Category:Intersex topics

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex in fiction}} to :Category:Intersex fiction

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex in history}} to :Category:Intersex topics in history or :Category:Intersex history

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex in non-fiction}} to :Category:Intersex non-fiction

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex in religion and mythology}} to :Category:Intersex topics in religion and mythology

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Category:Intersex in society}} to :Category:Intersex topics in society

:Nominator's rationale: See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Category:Transgender (plus Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 30#Category:Feminism and transgender) and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#(LGBT_identity)_fiction. Web-julio (talk) 21:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support as nominated. Raladic (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support as nominated, with a preference for :Category:Intersex history, per Timeline of intersex history. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• :*Support suggestion by Chaotic Enby.
• :--MikutoH ^talk! 03:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep :Category:Christianity in Sussex; merge :Category:Churches in Sussex to :Category:Churches in England and :Category:Christianity in Sussex. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Christianity in Sussex to :Category:Religion in Sussex

:* Propose merging :Category:Churches in Sussex to :Category:Religion in Sussex

:Nominator's rationale: Merge and redirect. Most content is at the level of {{c|East Sussex}} and {{c|West Sussex}}, so these are not currently helpful for navigation. Leave redirects to discourage re-creation. – Fayenatic London 11:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Note: a logical alternative would be to place {{cat|Churches in Sussex}}, {{cat|Diocese of Chichester}}, {{cat|Monasteries in East Sussex}} and {{cat|Monasteries in West Sussex}} into {{c|Christianity in Sussex}}. However, that would still be a fairly sparse layer. Also, :Category:Christianity in England by county is mainly by current rather than former counties, and {{c|Sussex}} is in {{c|Former counties of England}}. The only other former-county sibling like this is {{c|Christianity in Yorkshire}}, which at least has more content, including a Christianity sub-cat for each riding. – Fayenatic London 12:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• :Category:Churches in Sussex can be deleted instead of merged because both subcategories are already in East and West Sussex. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment, the Diocese of Chichester and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Arundel and Brighton both cover the whole of Sussex so I wonder whether it wouldn't be a better idea to upmerge :Category:Religion in Sussex instead of :Category:Christianity in Sussex. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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• {{ping|Fayenatic london}} what is your thought on my comment? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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• I will oppose the nomination at least until there is some further comments in this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• If we merge "Religion" instead and keep :Category:Christianity in Sussex, I suppose the latter can go up into :Category:Religion in England by former county. I note that most of the subcats named "by former county" within :Category:Categories by former county of England only contain Yorkshire. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

:* I am noticing now that upmerging the Religion category is also not very meaningful because there are still "Religion in" subcategories in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

:*:{{yo|Marcocapelle}} Are you withdrawing your opposition? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:*:* {{ping|HouseBlaster}} no, sorry for the unclarity, I am still opposing the nomination, but withdrawing my earlier alternative. It is now a simple keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• OK, {{u|Marcocapelle}} and I have maximised the contents, so we might as well keep :Category:Christianity in Sussex now. But :Category:Churches in Sussex might as well be merged to :Category:Churches in England and :Category:Christianity in Sussex. – Fayenatic London 12:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* That is ok with me. Just having a West and East Sussex subcat isn't particularly helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English Olympic competitors, :Category:Scottish Olympic competitors and :Category:Welsh Olympic competitors; respectively. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|English Olympic medallists}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Scottish Olympic medallists}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Welsh Olympic medallists}}

:Nominator's rationale: As per the recent deletion of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_31#Category:Californian_Olympic_medalists Category:Californian Olympic medalists] based on the fact that California and England and Scotland and Wales do not field Olympic teams, this category should be deleted. This came up in the discussion on California by editor {{Ping|Marcocapelle}}. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

::Merge to :Category:Scottish Olympic competitors etc. Those should probably be nominated too, but in the meantime it is a valid location for all the medalists. Crowsus (talk) 11:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. A merge is not needed because the articles are already in :Category:Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• :If not kept, it should be merged, because Scottish Olympic competitors is not nested within Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain. For the record, I do not think that California and England are comparable subdivisions.^SMason_Garrison 16:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Me neither, and Scotland has a list on the topic, but to be fair the principle of a territory within an Olympic entity is the same. Crowsus (talk) 16:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• :::They may not be identical but they are comparable. They are not nations by any stretch and do not compete in the Olympics. I wouldn't be surprised if California has more medals than Great Britain.... certainly England. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::::"They are not nations by any stretch" - are you sure? They do not compete separately in the Olympics so it sets an unwanted precedent for categorisation which potentially opens doors for other such entities like US states, Australian states, Spanish autonomous communities with over-enthusiastic nationalist editors eager to create Catalan xyz and Basque abc for everything, that much we can agree on. Crowsus (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
• :::::I'm sure. Different places use states, countries, etc, as interchangeable terms. They don't have passports either, just like California doesn't. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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::Upmerge to :Category:English Olympic competitors, :Category:Scottish Olympic competitors and :Category:Welsh Olympic competitors respectively. Couldn't be simpler. Crowsus (talk) 12:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

::* For now that is an acceptable merge target. One can still argue about whether :Category:English Olympic competitors etc. should exist considering that England was not a participating country in the Olympic games, but that would require a new nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|National Hockey League goaltenders who have scored in a game}}

:Nominator's rationale: While interesting, this is WP:TRIVIAL. User:Namiba 20:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

::Delete as per nom, not defining and topic already covered by a comprehensive list article. Crowsus (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:PWHL Minnesota to :Category:Minnesota Frost

:* Propose merging :Category:PWHL Minnesota coaches to :Category:Minnesota Frost coaches

:* Propose merging :Category:PWHL Minnesota players to :Category:Minnesota Frost players

:* Propose merging :Category:PWHL Minnesota seasons to :Category:Minnesota Frost seasons

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Montreal seasons to :Category:Montreal Victoire seasons

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Montreal to :Category:Montreal Victoire

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Montreal players to :Category:Montreal Victoire players

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to :Category:Montreal Victoire coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Boston to :Category:Boston Fleet

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Boston coaches to :Category:Boston Fleet coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Boston players to :Category:Boston Fleet players

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Boston seasons to :Category:Boston Fleet seasons

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL New York to :Category:New York Sirens

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL New York coaches to :Category:New York Sirens coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL New York players to :Category:New York Sirens players

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL New York seasons to :Category:New York Sirens seasons

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Ottawa to :Category:Ottawa Charge

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Ottawa coaches to :Category:Ottawa Charge coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Ottawa players to :Category:Ottawa Charge players

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Ottawa seasons to :Category:Ottawa Charge seasons

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Toronto to :Category:Toronto Sceptres

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Toronto coaches to :Category:Toronto Sceptres coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Toronto players to :Category:Toronto Sceptres players

:* Propose renaming :Category:PWHL Toronto seasons to :Category:Toronto Sceptres seasons

:Nominator's rationale: The PWHL played its first season without permanent names but each team has since adopted one. These are the same franchises in the same places and same personnel. An attempt to speedy the renaming was declined. User:Namiba 20:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

::I would rather keep the categories separate, such as with :Category:Mighty Ducks of Anaheim players and :Category:Anaheim Ducks players. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:::I think a key difference is that the original names were always intended to be temporary. They were placeholders.--User:Namiba 22:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

::::It will still be technically incorrect in my opinion to say that Lindsey Post for example played for the New York Sirens. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 23:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. DetroitFan7 (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Rename per nom (but retain current pages as category redirects). If the previous names were used longer, than it would make sense to split the categories, but as it currently stands it’s not beneficial for navigation. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• :I support retaining current pages as redirects to avoid confusion.--User:Namiba 15:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Rename per nom nom nom. :) Include redirects. --MikeVitale 05:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Buildings and structures in the Isle of Man. (non-admin closure) Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Pubs in the Isle of Man to :Category:Buildings and structures in the Isle of Man

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a single article about a defunct pub which is now a private residence. Not helpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 15:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• It was me who [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pubs_in_the_Isle_of_Man&oldid=983928523 perpetrated this category]. (For its sole member, I still think this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Highlander,_Isle_of_Man&diff=prev&oldid=983928478 was an improvement].) Yes, this category is dispensable. -- Hoary (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Merge. Hoary: I have added two more categories to that article. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Good move, Fayenatic. (I have little knowledge or [sorry!] interest in either the Isle of Man or pubs, and was surprised to realize that yes it was indeed me who had created this category.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Former pubs in Devon to :Category:Former pubs in England

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within parent. AusLondonder (talk) 15:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Pubs in Devon. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Charities based in Gibraltar to :Category:Organisations based in Gibraltar

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation and better categorised within the parent. AusLondonder (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Charities based in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: triple merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Maps of Gibraltar to :Category:Images of Gibraltar

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single image and a module. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Triple merge, also to :Category:Geography of Gibraltar and :Category:Maps of Europe. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Dunes of Gibraltar to :Category:Landforms of Gibraltar

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article that would be better categorised within the parent category. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Dunes of Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Dual merge as above. I recognise that this bypasses the existing parent :Category:Dunes of the United Kingdom, but that one does not strike me as particularly useful. – Fayenatic London 12:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Venues of the Bundesvision Song Contest}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE (also see :Bundesvision Song Contest for background/nature of the specific competition/event). (All articles in the cat are sufficiently categorized otherwise.) Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 12:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete While I'm open minded about categorizing one-time events by venue, categorizing venues by every event just leads to category clutter. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. WP:OCVENUE appears to be clear on this. Grk1011 (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Agree that it appears to be a simple case of overcategorisation, and specifically contravening WP:OCVENUE. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 22:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|FA Cup final venues}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. (All articles within are sufficiently categorized otherwise.) Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 12:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete While I'm open minded about categorizing one-time events by venue, categorizing venues by every event just leads to category clutter. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:OCVENUE and WP:NOTDEFINING (as all are better known for hosting teams or other events). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. The parent :Category:FIFA U-17 World Cup stadiums will also be deleted as empty. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:2017 FIFA U-17 World Cup venues to :Category:Football venues in India

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. (Side note: Merging would empty :Category:FIFA U-17 World Cup stadiums, which only contains the discussed cat.) Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 11:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:: Just saw that, apart from one, all articles were/are already in :Category:Football venues in India and/or one of the more specific location subcats. {{diff2|1258154466|I've just categorized the remaining one}}, so this might as well be considered a nomination for deletion. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 11:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Per Felida97's clarification and WP:OCVENUE. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete these venues look to be in the correct subcategories of :Category:Football venues in India by relevant state, so no need to upmerge to parent category. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 12:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:2021 FIFA Futsal World Cup venues to :Category:Futsal venues

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 11:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete These articles all seem like basketball venues that happened to have had a futsal event. (Not opposed to merge if that's the consensus, but leaning toward a straight delete.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per previous comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as the futsal tournament at these venues is WP:NOTDEFINING, so delete is better than upmerge. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 11:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Journalists from Tirana to :Category:Writers from Tirana

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename and redirect. The page history will be moved to the new name, in place of the new page improperly created. – Fayenatic London 12:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Interscope-Geffen-A&M artists to :Category:Interscope Geffen A&M Records artists

:Nominator's rationale: An editor emptied this long-standing category, created a new category, and then turned this category into a redirect to the new category. They should have gone for a speedy rename instead. I'm hoping that these two categories can undergo a history merge so that the page history of the original category is merged to the newer category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Comment: It was a bad decision to create a new category and redirect the old one to another without proper consent as per WP:CFD. In thought, it had to match the article name, which is why it happened, again without proper administration request. Apologies. Darrion N. Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

::I accidentally added the wrong target as it was actually "speedy deletion". I meant to say WP:CFD (for "discussion"). Darrion N. Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep page history of the nominated category, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Categorization of :Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons can be discussed at Category talk:Puerto Rican Freemasons. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons to :Category:American Freemasons

:Nominator's rationale: We don't have :Category:American Freemasons by state or territory so why does this exist? Mach61 00:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, underpopulated category. I would not object to having this category when it would contain a handful of articles at least. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:* Striking my support after the below comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Puerto Rico's history existed long before the United States conquered it. It is part of :Category:Freemasons by nationality, which is a well-established scheme. Note that I have populated the category (5 articles) and created :Category:Freemasonry in Puerto Rico.--User:Namiba 20:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• :@Namiba Shouldn't this cat be moved out of the American Freemasons cat, then? Mach61 18:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Why?--User:Namiba 18:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• :::@Namiba Because you're arguing it's fine for the category to exist, when categories for the rest of the states do not, because Puero Rico wasn't always American. Mach61 20:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::::Puerto Rican freemasonry exists both outside of the US context and within it. Someone trying to understand freemasonry in the US might also be looking for Puerto Rico. Categories are meant to aid navigation so I don't see how removing it does that.--User:Namiba 14:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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