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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Renaming of the article can be sorted out at WP:RM, and renaming of categories to match articles can be sorted out via WP:CFDS (specifically WP:C2D). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:19, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:*{{strike|Propose deleting {{lc|Hercule Poirot (film series)}}}}

:{{strike|Nominator's rationale: Scope duplictates existing category: Films based on Hercule Poirot books Northernhenge (talk) 22:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)}}

:* @Northernhenge What do you mean? Other film series have their own categories. So, why not this one? Spectritus (talk) 22:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:*:It’s just that I can’t see how this new one is different from the existing :Category:Films based on Hercule Poirot books. If they’re different, so if they would have different contents, there isn’t a problem – it just needs explaining. —Northernhenge (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:*::For example, are there films in the Hercule Poirot (film series) that are not based on any of the books? --Northernhenge (talk) 22:33, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:* There's a difference. :Category:Films based on Hercule Poirot books lists all the Hercule Poirot films, while :Category:Hercule Poirot (film series) lists only films and soundtracks from the film series directed by Kenneth Branagh. Maybe it could be renamed to Category:Hercule Poirot (Kenneth Branagh film series) to avoid confusion. Spectritus (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:** What precedent do we have, are there more examples of this sort of (what seems to be) duplication? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:*** @Marcocapelle If it can help you understand. For example, there could be a Category:Films based on Marvel Comics and a Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe films. You see the difference? Spectritus (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::::* I am not asking what could be there but what is there. If we do not have anything else like this yet I do not think it is a good idea to start it. If we do have more, a group nomination would be desirable. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*::Category:Films based on Marvel Comics has a subcategory :Category:Films based on Marvel Comics by franchise, which has a number of subcategories:

::::*:*Kingsman (franchise) films

::::*:*Marvel Cinematic Universe films

::::*:*Sony's Spider-Man Universe films

::::*:so there is a precendent if we had something like :Category:Films based on Hercule Poirot books by franchise with enough subcategories to make it worth having. I’m now veering from neutral towards {{strike|weak keep}} (now rename – see below), provided there are enough film series/franchises to justify categorising films by franchise. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:* {{ping|Northernhenge}} so are you withdrawing the nomination? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*It certainly needed discussion. What’s come out so far is that it needs renaming (for example “Category:Hercule Poirot (Kenneth Branagh film series)”) and that there is a precedent in the “Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe films” categories. I don’t know if there are enough Poirot film series, and I don’t know if any series contains enough films to merit a category, but maybe that’s a discussion for another day, after any new categories have had a chance to grow. If this discussion has gone as far as it can, and if nobody is convinced we need to delete, then I’m prepared to withdraw the nomination. The renaming is important though. --Northernhenge (talk) 10:14, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:* {{ping|Northernhenge}} I agree. We could rename it. I can do it if you want. Spectritus (talk) 14:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:* OK, please go ahead – I've striked (struck?) the nomination, which I think is the protocol for withdrawing it. Participants can't close it but hopefully someone will. It was a useful discussion. --Northernhenge (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:*:* {{ping|Northernhenge}} I can't do it. The move button doesn't appear. Spectritus (talk) 10:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:*:*:*Please do not move it, as the category should match the article Hercule Poirot (film series). If you believe they both should be moved then perhaps start a WP:RM at the article page. Also consider Hercule Poirot (2017 film series) rather than disambiguation by actor, per WP:NCFILM. --woodensuperman 10:51, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* {{ping|Woodensuperman}} Now, in case you've forgotten, Kenneth Branagh directed those films so I think Hercule Poirot (Kenneth Branagh film series) would be appropriate. However, I do not think the article needs moving since there aren't any articles about other Hercule Poirot film series. Spectritus (talk) 23:11, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:We disambiguate by year first, then by further disambiguator if necessary. There is no provision in WP:NCFILM to disambiguate by director or actor. A good example is Sherlock Holmes (1939 film series). However, if the article doesn't need moving, then neither does the category. --woodensuperman 08:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*::I suppose this is settled then. Spectritus (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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• Renaming to Hercule Poirot (2017 film series) looks good to me for the category (and the article, but this is CFD) per @Woodensuperman, not least so that readers know what they're looking at when the title comes up in a link or search. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) should take precedence here. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Former commanderies of China in Korea to :Category:Commanderies of China in Korea

:Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure; is clarifying "former" needed for this? There are no commanderies of China in Korea rn. seefooddiet (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Rename per nom, or possibly :Category:Commanderies of China in the Korean peninsula because they weren't part of a Korean country. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :In general, I think Korea-related categories use "Korea" as a region/culture name and not necessarily as a political entity. If we did do this there would be a multitude of other similar changes to make. seefooddiet (talk) 22:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :* Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Defunct election commissions. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 06:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Former election commissions to :Category:Defunct election commissions

:Nominator's rationale: Not sure if this is the best move, but it matches formatting of other {{cl|Defunct government agencies by type}} seefooddiet (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::Rename per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fairfield Stags basketball venues to :Category:College basketball venues in Connecticut and :Category:Fairfield Stags sports venues and :Category:Fairfield Stags basketball

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT User:Namiba 19:23, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 00:28, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Music videographies to :Category:List of performances by entertainer in media

:Nominator's rationale: The term videography is being misused in this case as the term is specific to work done by a videographer, and does not mean a list of videos or films (that use is a neologism original to wikipedia which should be edited out as unverifiable). Further, many of the individuals have entertainment credits in work other than video (such as computer games, discographies, acting credits for entertainers who do that as well as music, etc.) on these pages so the cat should reflect that by expanding the scope to all media to reflect the content across the lists. 4meter4 (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Comment When I created this category it was for articles like Michael Jackson videography, which are still named that. I don't think "performances by entertainer in media" is a very helpful, clear, or easy to use term. "Media" is way too broad a term and confusing. At least use something like "on screen" or similar. "Videography" is at least easy for a reader to understand what it is.★Trekker (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::Agreed. Such an undertaking would have been well served being discussed first before wholesale name changes to articles. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Except the term "videography" does not mean a list of videos. Its use in that way is unique to wikipedia and is an unverifiable neologism not supported in sources outside of the encyclopedia. Per WP:NEO, the MJ article needs to be renamed, and the term videography needs to be removed when being used to refer to a video list in all articles across the encyclopedia as that is WP:OR. We can't just make up new definitions to words because it is convenient to do so. Additionally, most of these articles have media credits in a variety of media all on one page (TV, Film, music videos, streaming platforms, radio, computer games, etc.) and in multiple areas of creative contribution in over half of the cases (music performance credits, acting credits, dancing/choreography credits, directing credits, writing credits, producing credits, etc.) 4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok this feels like a subject that maybe needs a broader discussion with several Wikipedia projects and input from many editors.★Trekker (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Agreed. This impacts a lot of articles. I think a decision here to change the wording will need to result in a much bigger RfC.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 15:53, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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• Rename, aligning with the article names, but "lists" instead of "list", and maybe drop "by entertainer". If this isn't clear as a category name then the article titles are equally unclear, so better change those to begin with. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• this is a much wider discussion as it also involves articles as well as categories. I'm fine with renaming, but what do we rename it to? Does such a categorization/classification (list of videos) even exist outside of Wikipedia? Perhaps the articles could be renamed to "list of videos by X", but what do we call the category? Video list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• :There's a requested move linked lower down at this page for Madonna videography and similar articles. Also, you didn't sign this comment, like the other one you made in the same edit. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose. 1. The term "videography" has been used this way outside of Wikipedia. Here's a Cambridge University Press book: [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-blues-and-gospel-music/selected-discography-and-videography/CB6CFEE981D8D724FD1666458D97253F]. 2. Moreover, the term had been used before Wikipedia even existed, you can find some examples on Google Books. I've simply searched for "videography" and "discography" being used on one page, here's the results: [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5ab42de3d1d78b1a&q=%22videography%22+%22discography%22&udm=36&source=lnms].
If you don't like the term, I would suggest "filmography". But that would require reorganization of some lists, combining music videos and DVDs/BDs with films and TV series and documentaries and such. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 00:26, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Australian artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Up-merge for now. 4meter4 (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Maybe not too small. Why not rename to :Category:Lists of performances of Australian artists in media, aligned with the article titles? This also applies to the nominations below. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::I would support that.4meter4 (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

: It's not small. It contains six items which is enough. The same about other nominated categories. Eurohunter (talk) 13:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Five articles (and a redirect) is not a small category. This is perfectly reasonable. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:24, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

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• Merge per WP:OCLOCATION, non-defining intersection of discographies by nationality of subject. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose renaming. 1. The term "videography" has been used this way outside of Wikipedia. Here's a Cambridge University Press book: [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-blues-and-gospel-music/selected-discography-and-videography/CB6CFEE981D8D724FD1666458D97253F]. 2. Moreover, the term had been used before Wikipedia even existed, you can find some examples on Google Books. I've simply searched for "videography" and "discography" being used on one page, here's the results: [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5ab42de3d1d78b1a&q=%22videography%22+%22discography%22&udm=36&source=lnms].
If you don't like the term, I would suggest "filmography". But that would require reorganization of some lists, combining music videos and DVDs/BDs with films and TV series and documentaries and such. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 00:26, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Canadian artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Up-merge for now. 4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Lists of performances by American artists in media. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Videographies of American artists to :Category:American filmographies

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of :Category:American filmographies.4meter4 (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Not against a rename but oppose the proposed merger. The content of the category have articles recently renamed from "Foo videography" to "List of performances by Foo in media". Then there's the whole scheme :Category:Videographies by artist nationality, with each subcat being nominated individually. A consolidated request to rename along the lines of "Lists of performances by American artists in media" might be in order. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable. I'm not sure how to technically go about doing bundled nominations.4meter4 (talk) 20:28, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Rename per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Videographies of American artists to :Category:Lists of performances by American artists in media is the alternative proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Lists of YouTube videos. Beland (talk) 02:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of YouTubers}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be up-merged; although I don't think these are technically videographies. 4meter4 (talk) 19:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Not sure that it is too small. If not merged, rename to :Category:Lists of YouTube episodes by series or something like that, since that is the actual content. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete All but one of the articles are categorized in :Category:Lists of web series episodes, which seems sufficient to me, and the other (Videos by PewDiePie) I added to :Category:Lists of YouTube videos. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|4meter4}} at least it should be merged to :Category:YouTube-related lists, shouldn't it? It wouldn't make sense to remove the articles from the YouTube tree while that still exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

::I am fine with a merge as long as we do not leave a redirect and the category is deleted.4meter4 (talk) 15:38, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

::: Agree with Marcocapelle's recommendation to merge. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Lists of YouTube videos per reasoning of Marcocapelle. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 00:28, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Greek artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be up-merged. 4meter4 (talk) 16:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Japanese artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be upmerged. 4meter4 (talk) 16:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:00, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Lebanese artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be up-merged for now, 4meter4 (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Swedish artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be up-merged for now. 4meter4 (talk) 15:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Puerto Rican artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat; should be up-merged to :Category:Videographies for now 4meter4 (talk) 15:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies of Filipino artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat. Should be up-merged for now. 4meter4 (talk) 16:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• See similar nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose. The category is not that small. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 00:29, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Videographies}}

:Nominator's rationale: Videography is a technical term for the work done by a videographer. The cats here are not being used in this way; but are trying to turn "videography" into a word that means a list of videos as an original twist on the terms filmography/discography. This is a made up neologism that is far as I can tell is unique to who ever created these cats on wikipedia (there are also a bunch of articles titled with the term, and they should all be renamed). I've never seen "videography" used in this way anywhere else. Note I don't know how to bundle nom the sub cats, but all of these should be deleted. Likewise there are a bunch of article titles using this word that need renaming.4meter4 (talk) 22:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• A large number of subcategories has been nominated on tomorrow's page. Shouldn't we wait for the outcome there? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

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::The following WikiProjects have been notified: Film, Television, YouTube, Albums, and Songs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::Comment Additionally, an RM has been opened at Talk:Madonna_videography#Requested_move_28_February_2025 about the page moves. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:10, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose. 1. The term "videography" has been used this way outside of Wikipedia. Here's a Cambridge University Press book: [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-blues-and-gospel-music/selected-discography-and-videography/CB6CFEE981D8D724FD1666458D97253F]. 2. Moreover, the term had been used before Wikipedia even existed, you can find some examples on Google Books. I've simply searched for "videography" and "discography" being used on one page, here's the results: [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5ab42de3d1d78b1a&q=%22videography%22+%22discography%22&udm=36&source=lnms].
If you don't like the term, I would suggest "filmography". But that would require reorganization of some lists, combining music videos and DVDs/BDs with films and TV series and documentaries and such. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Apparently this is a duplicate of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_22#English_artists_by_populated_place, which I closed as merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Cambridgeshire}} to :Category:Artists from Cambridgeshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Cheshire}} to :Category:Artists from Cheshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Derbyshire}} to :Category:Artists from Derbyshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Devon}} to :Category:Artists from Devon and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Dorset}} to :Category:Artists from Dorset and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in the East Riding of Yorkshire}} to :Category:Artists from the East Riding of Yorkshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in East Sussex}} to :Category:Artists from East Sussex and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Essex}} to :Category:Artists from Essex and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Gloucestershire}} to :Category:Artists from Gloucestershire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Greater Manchester}} to :Category:Artists from Greater Manchester and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Hampshire}} to :Category:Artists from Hampshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Kent}} to :Category:Artists from Kent and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Lancashire}} to :Category:Artists from Lancashire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Leicestershire}} to :Category:Artists from Leicestershire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Lincolnshire}} to :Category:Artists from Lincolnshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Merseyside}} to :Category:Artists from Merseyside and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Norfolk}} to :Category:Artists from Norfolk and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in North Yorkshire}} to :Category:Artists from North Yorkshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Northamptonshire}} to :Category:Artists from Northamptonshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Nottinghamshire}} to :Category:Artists from Nottinghamshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Shropshire}} to :Category:Artists from Shropshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Somerset}} to :Category:Artists from Somerset and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Staffordshire}} to :Category:Artists from Staffordshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Suffolk}} to :Category:Artists from Suffolk and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Surrey}} to :Category:Artists from Surrey and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Tyne and Wear}} to :Category:Artists from Tyne and Wear and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in the West Midlands (county)}} to :Category:Artists from the West Midlands (county) and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in West Yorkshire}} to :Category:Artists from West Yorkshire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:* Propose merging {{cl|Artists by populated place in Worcestershire}} to :Category:Artists from Worcestershire and :Category:English artists by populated place

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate levels that are all sparsely populated. Recommended by {{user|Marcocapelle}} at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_20#Category:Artists_by_populated_place_in_England_by_county. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Merge, same as in earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: No action - Closing this to allow for a follow-up nomination at editorial discretion, presumably following the discussion below. With that in mind, I'm not removing the existing tags, since they can be changed for the new nomination. (Perhaps someone with automated tools can help with that.) - jc37 22:30, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category: Cycle racing in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Cycle racing in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Cycle racing in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Defunct airlines of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Defunct airlines of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Defunct airlines of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Demographics of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Demographics of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Demographics of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Disasters in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Disasters in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Disasters in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Disease outbreaks in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Disease outbreaks in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Disease outbreaks in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Expatriate sportspeople from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Expatriate sportspeople from British Overseas Territories and :Category: Expatriate sportspeople from the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Expatriates from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Expatriates from British Overseas Territories and :Category: Expatriates from the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Films set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Films set in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Films set in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Foreign relations of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Foreign relations of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Foreign relations of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Fortifications in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Fortifications in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Fortifications in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Forts in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Forts in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Forts in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Gambling companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Gambling companies of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Gambling companies of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Girls' schools in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Girls' schools in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Girls' schools in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Health disasters in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Health disasters in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Health disasters in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Historic sites in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Historic sites in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Historic sites in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Immigrants to British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Immigrants to British Overseas Territories and :Category: Immigrants to the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Infrastructure in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Infrastructure in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Infrastructure in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Islam in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Islam in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Islam in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Jews and Judaism in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Jews and Judaism in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Jews and Judaism in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Languages of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Languages of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Languages of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Law enforcement agencies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Law enforcement agencies of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Law enforcement agencies of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: National sports teams of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:National sports teams of British Overseas Territories and :Category: National sports teams of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Novels set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Novels set in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Novels set in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent  to :Category:People from British Overseas Territories and :Category: People from the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Police forces of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Police forces of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Police forces of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Ports and harbours of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Ports and harbours of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Ports and harbours of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Protected areas of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Protected areas of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Protected areas of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Public transport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Public transport in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Public transport in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Radio stations in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Radio stations in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Radio stations in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Service industries in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Service industries in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Service industries in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Shipping companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Shipping companies of British Overseas Territories and :Category: Shipping companies of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Sixth form colleges in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Sixth form colleges in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Sixth form colleges in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Sports in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by year  to :Category:Sports in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Sports in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Tourism in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Tourism in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Tourism in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Tourist attractions in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Tourist attractions in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Tourist attractions in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Transport infrastructure in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Transport infrastructure in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Transport infrastructure in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Video games set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Video games set in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Video games set in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category: Works set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Works set in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Works set in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category:British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies at multi-sport events  to :Category: British Overseas Territories at multi-sport events and :Category:Crown Dependencies at multi-sport events

:* Propose splitting :Category:British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies in fiction to :Category: British Overseas Territories in fiction and :Category:Crown Dependencies in fiction

:* Propose splitting :Category:Castles in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Castles in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Castles in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose splitting :Category:Communications in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Communications in British Overseas Territories and :Category: Communications in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies-related lists 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Cricket in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Culture of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Defunct companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Defunct sports competitions in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Economy of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Education in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Elections in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Environment of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Expatriate sportspeople in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Expatriates in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by nationality 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Expatriates in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Fauna of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Ferry companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Ferry transport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Football in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Football venues in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Geography of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Geology of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Government in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Governors of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Health in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: History of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: History of sport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Important Bird Areas of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Islands of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Jews from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Landforms of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Lighthouses in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Museums in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by occupation

:* Propose deleting :Category: People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by religion

:* Propose deleting :Category: People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Political office-holders by British Overseas Territory or Crown Dependency

:* Propose deleting :Category: Political parties in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Politicians by British Overseas Territory or Crown Dependency

:* Propose deleting :Category: Politics of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Populated places in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Protestantism in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Protestants from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Referendums in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Religion in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Religious buildings and structures in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Roman Catholic churches in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Roman Catholics from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Rugby union in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Schools in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Science and technology in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Secondary schools in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Society of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by sport 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sports clubs and teams in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sports competitions in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sports organisations of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sports venues in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Sportspeople from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category: Transport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Water transport in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category: Years in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Airlines of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Airports in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Anglicanism in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Athletics in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Aviation in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Basketball in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Biota of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category:Borders of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose deleting :Category:British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Buildings and structures in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Cathedrals in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Catholic Church in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Christianity in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Christians from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Churches in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies 

:* Propose deleting :Category:Squash in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies

:* Propose renaming :Category: Ferries of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category: Ferries of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose renaming :Category: Fictional people from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category: Fictional people from the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose renaming :Category: Government-owned companies of British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category: Government-owned companies of the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose renaming :Category: Mosques in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Mosques in British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category: Musicals set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Musicals set in British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category: Plays set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Plays set in British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category: Presbyterianism in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Presbyterianism in British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category: Scientists from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Scientists from British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category:Boys' schools in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category: Boys' schools in the Crown Dependencies

:* Propose renaming :Category:Comics set in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Comics set in British Overseas Territories

:* Propose renaming :Category:Synagogues in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies  to :Category:Synagogues in British Overseas Territories

:Nominator's rationale: split (or if the split already exists then delete, or if there is no content for either British Overseas Territories or Crown Dependencies then rename), these are two entirely unrelated topics. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment, the two groups aren't entirely unrelated, although they are distinct. They could be unbundled, but wouldn't this simply create a whole slew of small categories, with little navigational benefit? Whether they're bundled or unbundled, the utility to the reader seems mostly similar. CMD (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:* I agree that a follow-up nomination for a number of categories will be necessary, proposing to merge to the then remaining parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose, although open to constructive discussion. These categories are useful for putting together content for the British Overseas, in a similar fashion than for Overseas France, the Dutch Caribbean or the insular areas of the United States. All of the previous also gather territories with different legal statuses, sometimes very different. These territories are both (A) under British sovereignty and (B) not part of the United Kingdom proper, so I'd say they are not unrelated. When sorting content by country/dependent territory, the parent sovereignty is probably worth considering at least as much as the individual legal status of the territory, and is therefore a more efficient and defining way to categorize content. Place Clichy (talk) 08:56, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
• : Also, I'd be surprised if I wasn't the creator of at least one of these categories, and I did not receive any notification about this discussion. Place Clichy (talk) 09:01, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, I agree with Place Clichy's comments. These are not "entirely unrelated topics" and I don't understand the benefit of splitting them. Also, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Communications_in_British_Overseas_Territories_and_Crown_Dependencies&oldid=1118650134 I did create one these categories] and I'm pretty sure I didn't get any notification. DB1729^talk 03:34, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment {{ping|Marcocapelle|Place Clichy|DB1729}} Would renaming to :Category:Dependent territories of the United Kingdom, etc. to match Dependent territories of the United Kingdom be a reasonable alternative? Stating "Foo in X and Y" is not a great structure IMO; better to state what the defining part of that intersection actually is. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• : Why not in theory, but as the introduction of that article states, it is quite confusing that British Dependent Territories was the legal name of the British Overseas Territories from 1981 to 2002. {{noredirect|British Dependent Territories}} redirects there. Place Clichy (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support as there exist no British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies and limited use elsewhere. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• Question {{ping|Kaffet i halsen|Marcocapelle|Place Clichy|DB1729|Aidan721}} I attempted to close this discussion and encountered some complexity; I think it would be good to clarify before putting in a lot of work, and we may need a new set of nominations. It sounds like :Category:Dependent territories of the United Kingdom is preferred over :Category:British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies? We could rename all subcategories to match, but this would still leave a bit of a mess. There are a lot of "Category:Foo in BOTs and CDs" which have children patterned "Category:Foo in BOTs", "Category:Foo in CDs", and "Category:Foo subtopic in BOTs and CDs". Often there are simply "Category:Foo in TERRITORY NAME" subcategories under those. Given that there are only three Crown Dependencies, merging :Category:British Overseas Territories and :Category:Crown Dependencies into :Category:Dependent territories of the United Kingdom would be feasible, and doing the same for all subcategories would eliminate a lot of not-very-helpful layers of this category onion. So my question: is the "full merge" option preferable to the "rename only" option in which we have a status quo of mixed split/combined? Also wondering if the "full merge" option is either preferable or acceptable to those expressing support for the "full split" option? -- Beland (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• If a full split isn't within reach, a full merge is a second best option. At least we will then avoid or reduce a lot of binary subcategorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Aren't they already merged? CMD (talk) 13:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{reply|Chipmunkdavis}} No; for example, we have both :Category:Buildings and structures in British Overseas Territories and :Category:Buildings and structures in the Crown Dependencies. Under the "full merge" idea, these would both be merged into :Category:Buildings and structures in British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies, and that would be renamed to :Category:Buildings and structures in dependent territories of the United Kingdom. Then the same with subcategories :Category:Sports venues in British Overseas Territories and :Category:Sports venues in the Crown Dependencies, etc. -- Beland (talk) 00:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::A merge seems best, the vast majority of "X in the Crown Dependencies" categories are going to consist of a maximum 3 subcats. CMD (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• : I agree a "full merge" of the intermediate layers "Foo in the BOTs" and "Foo in the CDs" would be an improvement. However, I still believe that the current title is better than using Dependent territories of the United Kingdom, because that is not an established term and it is easily confused with British Dependent Territories, which is a different thing. Place Clichy (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{reply|Place Clichy}} Does that mean Dependent territories of the United Kingdom should be renamed? It seems there is a rule that category and article names should follow the same pattern. -- Beland (talk) 07:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::: C2D is a suggestion, not a rule (see also WP:5P5). In its present state, Dependent territories of the United Kingdom is hardly an article, and would be a very poor suggestion for a primary topic. It is a vague undefined notion, that includes other past statuses such as British Dependent Territories or Crown colonies. I'm certainly not suggesting that this article should be renamed, although it could be is someone were to suggest another name for it, such as (tongue in cheek) why not rump British Empire. Place Clichy (talk) 10:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::Hmm, British dependent territories redirects to Dependent territories of the United Kingdom. I've added a hatnote on British Overseas Territories for anyone who has arrived in the wrong place due to capitalization.
• ::::If I'm understanding correctly, Kaffet i halsen objects that "British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies" is also not a commonly used phrase and does not correspond to an article. The possibility of confusion of "British Dependent Territories" with "Dependent territories of the United Kingdom" seems low, given the latter doesn't have the word "British" and is not fully capitalized. I think it's pretty clear that it's generic, and we do create generic phrases to categorize things sometimes even if they aren't established phrases.
• ::::As for renaming, we could say "Dependencies of the United Kingdom", which is shorter. It shares a word with "Crown Dependencies", so there's a possibility of confusion there, but it likewise seems low. The consequences of confusion are also low - anyone ending up at "Dependent territories of the United Kingdom" will quickly see the British Overseas Territories and the Crown Dependencies if they were looking for one or the other. I like "Dependent territories of the United Kingdom" because it clarifies that it concerns territories (not, I dunno, legal dependencies or some sort of social welfare), and as a generic assures the reader that there isn't some third category of external territory out there that is for some reason listed separately.
• ::::{{ping|Aidan721}} Are you persuaded that "Dependent territories of the United Kingdom" is too confusing?
• ::::To avoid conflicting CFD tags and properly notify category creators, my plan is to close this nomination as "keep" and open a new one implementing the "full merge" option to make sure there is consensus for that, including choice of base name. -- Beland (talk) 16:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::New discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 29#British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies upmerge. -- Beland (talk) 03:46, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Warner Bros. Cartoons directors}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 15:26, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose. Nonsensical rationale. Dimadick (talk) 15:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::How is it nonsensical? This is exactly what WP:PERFCAT is for. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 16#TV directors by series as precedent. --woodensuperman 15:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, perhaps unless we get an explanation why it is nonsensical. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:05, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Listify/Delete per previous discussion, noted above. I didn't check every entry, but it looks like there is an already-existing list at Warner_Bros._Cartoons#Directors. - jc37 17:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Warner Bros. Cartoons music composers}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 15:26, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose. Nonsensical rationale. Dimadick (talk) 15:47, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::How is it nonsensical? This is exactly what WP:PERFCAT is for. See this discussion regarding crew. --woodensuperman 15:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, as above. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Listify/Delete per previous discussion, noted above. I didn't check every entry, but it looks like there is an already-existing list at Warner_Bros._Cartoons#Music. - jc37 17:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Beland (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice (American game show) contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice (British game show) contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice Thailand contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice (South Korean game show) contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Veo cómo cantas (Mexican game show) contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice (German game show) contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Gvachvene sheni khma contestants}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|I Can See Your Voice (Chinese game show) contestants}}

:Nominator's rationale: These people are already well known. This is nothing more than a WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 13:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Retain them. {{Pinging|Woodensuperman|Aidan721|Marcocapelle}} — These categories are literally meant to be reserved for mystery singers and contestants to appear on I Can See Your Voice and its international franchise. As you know, certain mystery singers such as :Marius Bear, :Hwang Chi-yeul, and :Ant Nurhan actually first discovered through the show itself. Aside from that, re-discovered acts such as Maytree should be included on these latter categories. Saisønisse (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• :{{Pinging|Woodensuperman|Aidan721|Marcocapelle}} — Also, these categories should be put in a similar behavior to that of :Category:Big Brother (franchise) contestants and :Category:Survivor (franchise) contestants, due to its unique "mystery music game show" genre. Saisønisse (talk) 23:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• :* How does this counter the fact that it is not a defining characteristic? The article Marius Bear does not even mention "I can see your voice" in the body text. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 2 March 2025 (UTC)80
• :*:{{Pinging|Woodensuperman|Aidan721|Marcocapelle}} — So you're mentioning Marius Bear on (the German 1st season of) I Can See Your Voice like these?{{cite web|title=I can see your voice: Kandidat Marius Bear stürmt die Charts |url=https://www.rtl.de/cms/i-can-see-your-voice-kandidat-marius-bear-stuermt-die-charts-4601225.html|language=de|work=RTL |publisher=Mediengruppe RTL Deutschland|date=24 August 2020|access-date=30 October 2020}}{{cite web|title=Boys do cry! Marius Bear will sing for Switzerland at Eurovision 2022|url=https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/03/08/switzerland-marius-bear-boys-do-cry-eurovision-2022/270754/|work=Wiwibloggs|first=William|last=Lee Adams|date=8 March 2022|quote=After returning home to Switzerland in 2020, Bear attracted a great deal of attention when he appeared on the TV show I Can See Your Voice.}}

{{reflist|group="Marius Bear"}}

:::::Saisønisse (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:* I do not deny he was in the show. I am just saying that it is apparently not important enough to mention in the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Spanish people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hong Kong people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Peruvian people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Algerian people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Colombian people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Danish people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|German people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italian people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Japanese people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Swedish people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Somali people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Serbian people of Arab descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Uruguayan people of Arab descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small categories. In all these cases, the "nationality descent" categories are already present and are more suitable than "ethnic descent." Note that I did not nominate the general :Category:People of Arab descent. Hassan697 (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Selectively merge to :Category:People of Arab descent. Note that many articles do not mention Arab descent, they should be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :I have already merged them manually Hassan697 (talk) 09:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• :* Thank you, in that case deletion can go ahead as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all as per nom. LibStar (talk) 05:59, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. In this case, Arab descent is wrongly used as a container for countries in which all people are not Arab, such as Lebanon or Egypt. Arab ethnic categories should only be used for individual people for which reliable sources specifically support an Arab identity. There are previous discussion that clearly establish precedent, but I don't have a link right now. Place Clichy (talk) 09:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Short stories set in the 10th century (1 P) to :Category:Works set in the 10th century and :Category:Short stories set in the Middle Ages

:* Propose merging :Category:Short stories set in the 11th century (2 P) to :Category:Works set in the 11th century and :Category:Short stories set in the Middle Ages

:* Propose merging :Category:Short stories set in the 12th century (1 P) to :Category:Works set in the 12th century and :Category:Short stories set in the Middle Ages

:Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly only 1 or 2 articles per century, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Short stories set in the 8th century (6 P) to :Category:Fiction set in 8th-century Tang dynasty

:* Propose merging :Category:Short stories set in the 9th century (1 P) to :Category:Fiction set in 9th-century Tang dynasty

:Nominator's rationale: merge, for consistency, until the 12th century the tree of short stories by century of setting mostly contains only 1 or 2 articles per century (see discussion above) which is not helpful for navigation. The 8th century is merely an accidental exception. The articles in these categories happen to be all set in China during the Tang dynasty, hence these particular merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Warner Bros. Cartoons voice actors}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 10:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose. Nonsensical rationale. Dimadick (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::How is it nonsensical? Acting in a series of Warner Brothers Cartoons is absolutely textbook WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 15:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Listify/Delete per nom. I didn't check every entry, but it looks like there is an already-existing list at Warner_Bros._Cartoons#Voices. - jc37 17:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Inverse Phase albums}}

:Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects to the band. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:09, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Nothing to see here. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:46, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Seminole freedmen}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article of which this is not even a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::* Support. Billy Bowlegs III was not a freedman and should be recategorized as :Category:Black Seminole people. Yuchitown (talk) 02:12, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Fatima Jinnah Women University, Rawalpindi alumni}}

:Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category, categorized to itself. Gjs238 (talk) 01:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete for now, this is not helpful for navigation, without objection to recreation when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. LibStar (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Deaths by firearm in Australia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths by firearm in Norfolk Island to :Category:Death in Norfolk Island

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry, also merge with :Category:Deaths by firearm in Australia. LibStar (talk) 01:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• Merge, but to :Category:Deaths by firearm in Australia. Deaths categories are supposed to be container categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :support single merge to :Category:Deaths by firearm in Australia. LibStar (talk) 05:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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