Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 15#Cities in fiction

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Burials in Mozambique}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This is a container category per WP:OCLOCATION ^SMason_Garrison 23:27, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, there should be subcategories of burial places in here. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Bus Services Act 2017}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. There are only two pages in here that are already interlinked. ^SMason_Garrison 22:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete for now per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Brenda Hale, Baroness Hale of Richmond}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. There are only two pages in here, the eponymous page and the autobiography they wrote ^SMason_Garrison 22:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, the articles are ditectly interlinked, no need for a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Equality Act 2010 to :Category:Anti-discrimination law in the United Kingdom

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have two pages in here by themselves. It's the main act and an amendment to the act. ^SMason_Garrison 22:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge, the articles are ditectly interlinked, no need for a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Western Götaland

:* Propose deleting :Category:North Älvsborg

:* Propose deleting :Category:South Älvsborg

:* Propose deleting :Category:Gothenburg and Bohus

:* Propose deleting :Category:Skaraborg

:Nominator's rationale: Category description reads they are "statistical district[s]" but that is not described in article space. All relevant municipalities in :Category:Municipalities of Västra Götaland County. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Leaning support, it looks like they are legacy categories succeeded by e.g. :Västra Götaland County. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Stockholm urban area to :Category:Neighbourhoods of Stockholm

:Nominator's rationale: After having removed articles from outside of Stockholm urban area, the category now mostly overlaps with :Category:Neighbourhoods of Stockholm as most are neighbourhoods. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 21:32, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• At least it should be a manual merge, e.g. Djursholms Restaurant is not a neighbourhood. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Yes, there are a couple that fits in this current very broad scope that would need to be removed. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Metropolitan Stockholm}}

:Nominator's rationale: Metropolitan Stockholm spans, since 2005, the same area as the whole Stockholm County and the selection of articles in :Category:Metropolitan Stockholm doesn't justify its own category. All articles already in :Category:Stockholm County subcategories. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Leaning support, it looks like this is a legacy category. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Chefs from Yokohama to :Category:People from Yokohama

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Also merge to :Category:Japanese chefs

Also propose merging-

:Category:Chefs from Kobe to :Category:People from Kobe and :Category:Japanese chefs

Category with three entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Good find. Dual merge for now. ^SMason_Garrison 22:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Events in the Arab world}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, a category for pan-Arab events might be useful but better start that from scratch. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Pescara in fiction to :Category:Pescara

:* Propose merging :Category:Shima, Mie in fiction to :Category:Shima, Mie

:* Propose merging :Category:Vladivostok in fiction to :Category:Vladivostok

:* Propose merging :Category:Pripyat in fiction to :Category:Pripyat

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Coconut plantations in Aruba to :Category:Plantations

:Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:Merge to :Category:Plantations in Aruba. Gjs238 (talk) 16:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* That category can be merged to :Category:Plantations too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Plantations (settlements or colonies)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Redundant with parent category :Category:Plantations Gjs238 (talk) 12:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:27, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Shouldn't these be merged to :Category:Plantations? ^SMason_Garrison 23:09, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• :* Don't think so, the article is about an outdated meaning of the word plantation. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Caitlín R. Kiernan}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Covered by {{cl|Works by Caitlín R. Kiernan}} --woodensuperman 11:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Lords Spiritual (Women) Act 2015}}

:Nominator's rationale: Lords Spiritual (Women) Act 2015 is not a defining feature for any of the women in this category, and doesn't seem to help with navigation, given that all of the women are linked to the main article. ^SMason_Garrison 05:14, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::I don't see how it is any less necessary than lc|Category:Hereditary peers removed under the House of Lords Act 1999 or Category:Hereditary peers elected under the House of Lords Act 1999. Landpin (talk) 06:30, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. This is what we have "what links here" feature for. By all means also nominate the two other categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:32, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People educated at Gunnersbury Boys' School to :Category:People educated at Gunnersbury Catholic School

:Nominator's rationale: The article for the school is Gunnersbury Catholic School. It seems like this category should match the name being used for the school's article per my reading of WP:TOPICCAT. But I'm not sure. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 01:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Companies involved in the Gaza genocide}}

:Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining characteristic of these companies. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:11, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose : the category can exist - just like :Category:Companies involved in the Holocaust - however addition of a company to said category can always be disputed. The rational for why these companies are added to the list can be found here List of companies involved in the Gaza genocide Cinaroot (talk) 00:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:::WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. That doesn't make it defining for any of these companies. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I have cited several reliable source here I agree not all companies should be added to this category - especially if their involvement is minimal or on-time. But how can you say this category cannot exist - when a similar category already exist for holocaust What makes the companies listed in holocaust category have defining characteristics - while companies involved in Gaza genocide supposedly do not?

::::Lets take one particular example Barclays - according to [https://waronwant.org/news-analysis/barclays-bankrolling-genocide-apartheid] - "Barclays is actively arming, supporting and profiting from Israel’s apartheid regime and its genocidal violence against the Palestinian people.". There is a [https://waronwant.org/sites/default/files/2024-05/Briefing_Barclays_Arming%20Israel%E2%80%99s%20Apartheid%20and%20Genocide.pdf whole document] detailing their involvement.

::::Executives of several companies have acknowledged their involvement and some CEO [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/13/palantir-ceo-says-outspoken-pro-israel-views-led-employees-to-leave-.html outspoken pro-Israel views]. Lockheed Martin executives has highlighted the conflicts in Israel and Ukraine as potential opportunities for future revenue growth. CEO of NextVision, an Israeli startup said "wars are good for business". This [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/wall-street-morgan-stanley-td-bank-ukraine-israel-hamas-war guardian article] talks about how wall street is hoping for an explosion in profit from violence in Israel and Gaza.

::::While the defining characteristics of the companies currently listed in the category may be disputed, I believe I can make a strong case for other companies that have not yet been added. Additions to the list can be contested and removed individually, but the category itself should not be deleted—at least not yet—as long as there is even one company that clearly belongs in it.

::::cc @Buidhe @Gidonb @Marcocapelle Cinaroot (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also {{tqq|as long as there is even one company that clearly belongs in it}} Unless it's part of a well-established broad category tree, single-item categories are frowned upon. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::The argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS cannot be used to justify this category cuts both ways. If the Holocaust-related category is seen as valid under WP:DEFINING, then it becomes essential to explain why a comparable category about Gaza is not. We’re not talking about stuff—we’re talking about structurally analogous categories with similar scope and sourcing patterns.

::::::Regarding WP:NONDEFINING: Some companies have substantial and well-sourced involvement in the current Gaza conflict—from weapons provision and logistics to financial backing. This is not peripheral involvement. Some executives have made public statements acknowledging or even promoting their company’s role. That constitutes a defining association by Wikipedia standards. Just because not all companies belong doesn’t invalidate the category; it only means inclusion should be case-by-case.

::::::the “single-item category” argument should apply only when there is no reasonable expectation of growth. This is a category with active sourcing and growing editorial interest, not a stub with no future.

::::::Deleting the category same day it was added preempts ongoing consensus-building and undermines the usual editorial process. If individual entries are weak, they can be challenged per WP:V and WP:NPOV. But the existence of the category itself is justifiable just like :Category:Companies involved in the Holocaust Cinaroot (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::{{tqq|then it becomes essential to explain why a comparable category about Gaza is not.}} No, it does not. {{tqq|This is not peripheral involvement.}} It may not be, but it is also not defining to the company, no matter what the executitves have said. {{tqq|Deleting the category same day it was added preempts ongoing consensus-building and undermines the usual editorial process.}} Which is why it's not being 'deleted the same day it was added', CfD lasts a week and builds a consensus. The fact another category exists is absoutely irrelevant to whether or not this one should. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

::::* It is all fine for a list, but not for a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::::*:the list deletion discussion might be of interest to you. Cinaroot (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:20, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete there are companies where the Holocaust involvement is genuinely defining but I don't think that's the case here. (t · c) buidhe 03:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a defining characteristic and not NPOV. gidonb (talk) 03:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete -- fails requirements of being neutral and defining. This is appropriate as a list (which appears has already been done), not as a category. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:General_Dynamics&curid=4889017&diff=1290569360&oldid=1290473064#category More detailed thoughts w/ policy citations here] but it's just repeating what others above are already pointing out. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• :the list deletion discussion might be of interest to you. It wouldn't be right for both category and list to be deleted while similar Holocaust counterpart exist. Cinaroot (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::It could be, if that's what the consensus is. Just because a subject is more appropriate as a list than a category doesn't necessarily mean it'll survive as a list either. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. These isn't defining and definitely not NPOV ^SMason_Garrison 23:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)