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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Rhodesian neurosurgeons to :Category:Zimbabwean neurosurgeons and :Category:Rhodesian surgeons

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one person in it. ^SMason_Garrison 21:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:44, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Global events}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, "event" is not a defining characteristic of these articles and subcategories. The category contains a hodgepodge of the past, the content is completely unrelated to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Army chiefs of staff to :Category:Chiefs of Staff of the United States Army

:Nominator's rationale: "US Army chiefs of staff" is subject to misinterpretation as meaning anyone who has been a chief of staff; this category is for persons who have served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. The proposed category aligns with the name of the main article of the category. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:History of the Malian Air Force to :Category:Military history of Mali

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge redundant category ^SMason_Garrison 16:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Malian military aviation to :Category:Aviation in Mali

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge redundant category ^SMason_Garrison 16:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Latvian Muay Thai practitioners to :Category:Latvian martial artists and :Category:Muay Thai practitioners

:Nominator's rationale: Upmwerge for now. This category is underpopulated ^SMason_Garrison 16:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Denmark to :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers and :Category:Deaths by firearm in Denmark

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Austria to :Category:Deaths by firearm in Austria and :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in British Malaya to :Category:Deaths by firearm in British Malaya and :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Moldova to :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers and :Category:Deaths by firearm in Moldova

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Hungary to :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers and :Category:Deaths by firearm in Hungary

:* Propose merging :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Peru to :Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers and :Category:Deaths by firearm in Peru

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Underpopulated category. {{ping|Ikamborden}}, Please populate the categories you create. ^SMason_Garrison 16:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, of course unless the categories can be decently populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths by Israeli drone strikes during the Israel–Hamas war to :Category:Deaths by Israeli airstrikes during the Israel–Hamas war and :Category:Deaths by Israeli drone strikes

:Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category. Deaths by Israeli drone strikes doesn't have sufficient content to justify diffusion by conflict, Furthermore, there are only two pages in here, one of which is a redirect. ^SMason_Garrison 16:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Church-Mosques}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category for just two things, on a characteristic that's already accounted for by other categories as it is. The two entries here are both buildings that started out as Christian churches but were later converted into Islamic mosques as their locations became Ottomanized -- but we already have {{cl|Mosques converted from churches}} to cover that fact off, and both of the articles in here are already in appropriate subcategories of that, so this isn't adding anything that other categories haven't already taken care of. If anything, it's really just a WP:SHAREDNAME category that's here solely because both articles have the "Church-Mosque" compound in their titles. Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mosques completed in 1375 to :Category:Mosques completed in the 1370s

:* Propose merging :Category:Mosques completed in 1803 to :Category:Mosques completed in the 1800s

:Nominator's rationale: Categories recently created for just one or two mosques each, in a tree without any other by-year siblings for their eras. These are two of the only three categories in {{cl|Mosques by year of completion}} that exist for any year prior to the 20th century, and the third has already been listed for a separate discussion below -- and in both cases, the decade target is not large enough to be comprehensively subbed out by individual year either (in the case of 1375, further, the two pages were both left duplicate categorized in the decade category alongside the year-specific category.)
As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories of just one or two things across the board -- the decade level is entirely sufficient here, and a year-specific level is not needed, if there are just one or two things per year and no other year in that decade or even century has a sibling category at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::I accept that they have 1-3 mosque in list but most mosques are not categorised, I will do it gradually, senior Mr.work-shy (talk) 16:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I am now in support, plz merge it senior @Bearcat Mr.work-shy (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, but also to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1375 etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 20:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Pakistani fashion labels to :Category:Clothing brands of Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories ^SMason_Garrison 15:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge for now, only 1 article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Categorization of Al-Abbas Shrine can be discussed at Talk:Al-Abbas Shrine. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:07, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mosques completed in 685}}

:Nominator's rationale: One-entry category, in a tree that doesn't otherwise have any sibling categories for any year earlier than 1375 -- and even the 1375 category is still an outlier of dubious necessity, since {{cl|Mosques by year of completion}} doesn't consistently have year-by-year subcategories for every year across the board until 1900. As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories for just one thing -- we don't need this for just one mosque if it's almost 700 years removed from any of its siblings. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support in principle, per nom, but merge to :Category:7th-century mosques and :Category:685 establishments. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• :{{yo|Bearcat}} thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. :Category:Fashion entrepreneurs can be discussed in its own nomination. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Nigerian fashion entrepreneurs to :Category:Fashion entrepreneurs and :Category:Nigerian fashion businesspeople

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's really not enough people in Fashion entrepreneurs (9 total) to justify diffusion by nationality. Also Entrepreneurs redirects to businesspeople, so I have doubts that the parent category should exist at all. ^SMason_Garrison 15:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Merge and also upmerge parent :Category:Fashion entrepreneurs, "entrepreneur" is a too subjective subset of businesspeople. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Recipients of the Order of the National Flag}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category was previously deleted under the discussion log here in 2013: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 25 - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC).

• Delete per previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep (withdrawn). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose manually merging :Category:Patent legislation into :Category:Patent law by country and :Category:Patent law

:Nominator's rationales: (1) I got lost in the category trees before realizing they were not fully connected; I propose to make the smaller category into a redirect. (2) The relevant legislation is almost always national, so "by country" is the right concept. (3) In a few cases, e.g. Patent Act and international treaties, the concept is transnational, so an article can be classified in more generic categories such as :Category:Patent law. (4) "Legislation" would be a better title for legislative work in progress, but we have few if any articles about that; the articles are about completed Acts aka laws. I only need to do a dozen manual edits to get this done, I think. I wanted to check with experts here to see if there's any reason not to charge ahead with the task. -- econterms (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

• It is not clear to me why a "law by country" tree and a "legislation" category cannot exist in parallel. Of course articles should also be in country categories if they exist, but that is not a reason to drop the "Legislation" category per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

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::Thanks for tagging it. That may bring in other insights.

::I thought about it and studied the cases again. It seems that :Category:Patent legislation is not adding any information to any actual article. The topic is more naturally called "Patent law", and all the relevant pages are classified in :Category:Patent law or (more often) its subcategories by country. So I still think the Patent legislation category should be turned into a redirect and not used any more.

::I do not mean to say that it is literally impossible or illogical for "legislation" and "law" categories both to exist. For copyrights, they do, and the talk page of the "legislation" category (Category_talk:Copyright_legislation) says "Copyright legislation includes both proposed and enacted legislation." Maybe it's relevant there, although I didn't find any examples of legislation proposed but not enacted for copyright either. -- econterms (talk) 06:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::* {{ping|Econterms}} the articles in this category are about acts mainly. That is a distinct feature of this legislation category (and of other legislation categories too). In contrast, articles directly in :Category:Patent law are not about acts. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:::* Okay, we can keep both. No consensus for change. Can close this proposal. -- econterms (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|19th-century Azerbaijani male actors}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. The only member of this category (Huseyn Arablinski) became notable in 1905...which is the 20th-century ^SMason_Garrison 00:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. If anyone wishes to merge individual articles, the contents of the category as of this close were: Peter Falkner, Johannes Lecküchner, Paulus Kal, Johannes Liechtenauer, Paulus Hector Mair, Joachim Meyer, Andre Pauernfeindt, Hans Talhoffer, and Jörg Wilhalm. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|German historical fencers}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, as the header already indicates this is a confusing category. Instead I have added the articles to :Category:14th-century fencers, :Category:15th-century fencers etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:German male fencers; or is that anachronistic? – Fayenatic London 20:50, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:* It is borderline anachronistic as it evolved into a normal sport in modern times. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Lý dynasty in fiction}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, one article only, which is not helpful for navigation. I don't think we need to merge this somewhere, the article is already in proper 13th-century and Vietnamese fiction categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose: it is defining/verifiable/neutral and precise, so can be kept. -Mushy Yank. 18:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::* That is not the point of the nomination. Categories exist for easy navigation between related articles and this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

::*:What is not the point of your nomination? How I missing it? You suggest deletion and my !vote is based on the fact that this a perfectly valid category, so I oppose its deletion. As for it being useful or not, I find it useful and it makes navigation between categories about fiction in various dynasties or other periods, easy; see :Category:History of Vietnam in fiction. The category being valid, I therefore find its deletion unnecessary. -Mushy Yank. 21:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

::*::Delete. Validity is not why we have categories. The criteria is whether the category is helpful for moving between pages. There is only one page in here, which is extremely unhelpful for navigation. ^SMason_Garrison 00:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Expatriates in the Spanish Netherlands. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:English expatriates in the Habsburg Netherlands to :Category:Expatriates in the Habsburg Netherlands

:Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. I think that this category should be renamed and reparented, if not merged. ^SMason_Garrison 18:50, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

• In any case it should be "Spanish Netherlands" instead of "Habsburg Netherlands", these articles are about a period when the Dutch Republic had become de facto independent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

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:{{yo|Smasongarrison}} Thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::Happy for the alternative rename to Expatriates in the Spanish Netherlands ^SMason_Garrison 00:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

: Comment a related renaming consideration was tagged, without a discussion, see :Category:Ambassadors of the Habsburg Netherlands. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 10:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:American historians by populated place to :Category:American historians

:Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries. Also merge to :Category:Historians by populated place Lost in Quebec (talk) 23:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is likely to be expanded further with more subcats.4meter4 (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
• Comment, this would be more useful as local historians by populated place. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

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::Merge for now. @4meter4 is welcome to create additional subcats, but we depreciated small cat because potential for growth was too nebulous. I'm neutral on local historians, but that's because I wonder how messy it could get down the line when people are miscategorized. ^SMason_Garrison 00:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

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