Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 December 28#User:Porchcorpter/Ban proposal

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Okay. Let me say the following. The MFD was only about the ''copy of the ban proposal and rebuttals to the !voters' comments.

The content that got speedily deleted per G4 does not meet G4 for the following reasons:

1. The MFD was not about that content
2. The MFD ended as "delete per user request", makes it further and more vague for G4 deletion
3. The contributors in the MFD had stated to link to the ban proposal via the archive, which the content that got speedily deleted per G4 is. ("If you want to see this problematic ban proposal, click here.")
4. There are no personal attacks, and no comments on contributors. The main point of Wikipedia rules.
5. Three of the MFD participants who !voted keep made good points regarding their keep !votes

(Would you mind signing my guestbook?) -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 03:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

:re: #2: Consensus was clearly there to delete regardless of your intentions to thwart the process.

:re: #3: An editor suggested to Porchcorpter that instead of linking to the subpage in conversation (the alleged reason for the creation of the subpage), which included the successful ban proposal, he could link to the archive thread.

:All of this is an attempt by Porchcorpter to game the system and declare his displeasure with a ban that was proposed over nine months ago. As a "troubled Wikipedian" (Porchcorpter's words), my suggestion for him is to drop the stick already and move on to more constructive ventures. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

::Why don't you copy the entire subpage over here, too, while you're at it? Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:35, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

:re: #4: Right, because calling the !voters at the MfD "troubled Wikipedians" is not a personal attack. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep deleted, add WP:SALT and another topic ban This recreation characterizing me, among others, as "troubled", is of course a base personal attack apparently made out of bitterness that his page was found to be something inappropriate for this project. The MFD was only closed the way it was because he saw the writing ont he wall and blanked the page, there is an obvious consensus to delete the page in that discussion. Porch's reasons for making this infantile, piontless yet WP:POINTy recreation of a page that was deleted by consensus are not relevant. I am halfway inclined to propose a full site ban of this user as they have demonstrated again and again that they do not respect consensus when that consensus relates to their actions, and no amount of advice or guidance, including a formal mentorship program, has had the desired effect. Keep the page deleted, salt it if needed, and topic ban him again this time from creating any content whatsoever, broadly construed, related to the previous topic ban. Or kick him out entirely. Don't care which. This user has been nothing but trouble for years. Enough is enough. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
• :DRV is NOT the place to discuss about another user. And name-calling an individual only is a personal attack. Go ahead and start a community ban on me now. (Would you mind signing my guestbook?) -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 05:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

::Your opening of an ANI thread about your decision to refactor and edit war here have made a very nice case to do just that. I'm tempted to ask where you see name-calling in my remarks, but somehow I doubt you will be able to produce anything resembling a logical response to that query since it is so manifestly wrong, so we'll skip that detail for now. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

• Porchcorpter is right, about something, not sure what, but give him that. Keep deleted, but email the content to him. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
• :No need, he's already saved everything on his computer, apparently: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2011_December_28&action=historysubmit&diff=468022441&oldid=468021601]. Eagles 24/7 (C) 07:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

:::*Email anyway, as often as he likes, but retrospectively close the MfD as DELETE. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. The original MfD was very likely to end up with "Delete", but Porchcorpter preempted that by agreeing to tag it U1. It appears that was just a ruse, as he then recreated it once the dust had settled. It's just a bit of polemic anyway, and part of his insistence on still trying to refute everyone who supported his topic ban from ages ago, and is just one more example of his trying to whitewash everything negative from his past and blame everyone else -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)