Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Brandenburg-class battleship/archive1

:Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 11:56, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

This is the article that got me started writing on German warships, all the way back [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandenburg-class_battleship&diff=129697433&oldid=125715756 in 2007] - the article has come a fair way since then, with multiple rewrites as I've acquired more sources - the most critical have been Nottelmann's Die Brandenburg-Klasse for the technical details and design history and Hildebrand et. al.'s Die Deutschen Kriegsschiffe for the ships' service histories. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 11:56, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

====Dank====

• Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. Well done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?page=Brandenburg-class_battleship&server=enwiki&name=Dank These] are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 20:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

This article is in great shape. I looked at during its recent Milhist ACR. I have a few comments from re-reading it:

• 9,800 long tons→9,800-long-ton
• Fixed
• no given name for Chief Constructor Dietrich?
• Ah, I found him [https://books.google.com/books?id=O4bHqTQGtSMC&pg=PA638&dq=imperial+german+navy+constructor+dietrich&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAsLnM2NDlAhVuRN8KHQPAAkMQ6AEwAHoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=imperial%20german%20navy%20constructor%20dietrich&f=false here]
• in parts long tons are used first, elsewhere tons, perhaps be consistent within the article?
• Fixed
• "by existing infrastructure" is this referring to dry docks, or the canal as well?
• The canal didn't exist at that time - work had only begun the previous year - but increases in size required not just larger dry docks, but also construction facilities, deeper channels dredged (and sometimes harbor bottoms)
• "As Dietrich continued to work on the plans" doesn't make sense to me, in that reducing the number of guns to three from four or six would reduce the weight of fire regardless, wouldn't it? Maybe I'm missing something implied?
• See if what I added works
• you could put the draft range in the infobox
• Done
• you could put the speed range in the infobox
• I prefer to use rated speed in the box, not trials, since speed tests were frequently under unrealistic conditions
• theortically
• Good catch
• rounding with the British and German 45 cm TTs, one is 17.7 in and one is 18 in
• fixed
• it isn't clear where the 5 June 1894 completion date for Weissenburg comes from. The article says 28 August 1894 or 10 October and its infobox says commissioned 14 October?
• That date is from Conway's, but I'll opt to go with Hildebrand instead
• a similar issue for Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm's completion date
• Ditto
• not sure about the capitalisation of Westerners
• De-capped
• link marines
• Done
• Marshal→Generalfeldmarschall and link
• Done
• for neutral link Neutral country
• Good idea
• "In April, the British and French fleets had launched"
• Done

That's all I have. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:22, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Image review

• Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:46, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Sources were checked out at the recent A-class review, but I've taken another look.

• No spotchecks carried out
• Formats: I imagine the François book is in French?
• Good catch
• Quality/reliability: no issues

Subject to the one format query, all looks well. Brianboulton (talk) 15:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:Thanks Brian. Parsecboy (talk) 13:38, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I'll do this one tomorrow. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 19:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

• {{xt|other officers, including Hans von Koester, August von Thomsen, Hans Sack, Wilhelm Büchsel, Carl Barandon, Conrad von Bodenhausen, Gustav Schmidt, and Curt von Maltzahn}} No ranks?
• I didn't think it was worth bogging down the prose any more by including the ranks and translations to the long list of names.
• {{xt|replaced by C/01 semi-armor-piercing (SAP) shell}} Is semi-armor-piercing here an adjective?
• Yes
• {{xt| on 16 February 1894 that killed forty-four men: twenty-five crew members, eighteen shipyard workers}} --> "on 16 February 1894 that killed 44 men: 25 crew members, 18 shipyard workers, and 1 from the commission"?
• I generally prefer to spell out numbers
• {{xt|Chinese nationalists laid siege to the foreign embassies}} Pipe Chinese to the Qing dynasty.
• I think it makes more sense to pipe it to "westerners in China"
• Link marks.
• Done
• Pipe Bulgarian to the Kingdom of Bulgaria.
• Done
• Pipe Greek to the Kingdom of Greece.
• Done
• {{xt|Dardanelles fortresses during the Dardanelles campaign}} --> "Dardanelles fortresses during the Dardanelles Campaign"
• There was a bit of a stink earlier this year about whether campaign ought to be capitalized (actually, I started it by pointing out that some were capitalized and some weren't, but I didn't particularly care one way or the other), and after much yelling and gnashing of teeth discussion, it was decided that they should not be capitalized.
• {{xt|British and French fleets launched the Gallipoli campaign}} Same as above.
• As above
• {{xt|meaning that it was a naval gun of built-up construction}} American build-up or is this official in American English?
• It'd be built-up in either version

That's it I think - sorry for the delay I was really busy with family stuff. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:No problem, family stuff is more important! Parsecboy (talk) 14:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Great to hear; looks good to me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

• Update the licensing for the Heimdall lithograph to reflect when Graf died and the same for the lithograph for Wörth
• Done
• And the same for F. K. Barnes
• Done
• Not thrilled with the placement of the Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm image as there's a ton of whitespace to its left on my monitors. Perhaps after the table?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
• The image isn't causing the whitespace - the table isn't wide enough to cover the whole width on wider monitors - so moving the image will actually make the problem worse, not better. Parsecboy (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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