Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Texas hurricanes (1980–present)/archive1

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:Nominator(s): TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 03:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that this article meets all the FLC criteria, and is engaging and comprehensively details all Texas hurricanes 1980-present in an effective and encyclopedic manner. This list mixes in the elements of all other similar types that WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has produced to create a unique, special, and FL-worthy article. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 03:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - still unit inconsistency. Make sure every unit is abbreviated like the unit in parenthesis. For example - 2 ft (6 m), 2 in (50 mm), 2 mi (3 km). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:done - Ah! I hadn't caught the 0}} and the 1}} earlier! Made it all tidied up. All units should be abbreviated. --TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 03:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::"200 mi path (320 km)" - fix, and make sure all of the storms are in chronological order. I noticed an error. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:::What's the problem with the 200 mi path again? And fixed the chronological issue. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::::It should be "200 mi (320 km) path". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::Fixed. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment non-breaking spaces are missing for stuff like "$250 million" and "12 tornadoes". YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 14:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::done - Fixed the examples, as well as other places. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 15:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::::Categories need non-breaking spaces as well. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 15:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::done - Completed. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 15:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

::::::More info on Tico, and Hermine. I'd remove the second sentence about Don as it is not that important. There appears to be some missing systems on mostly EPAC storms. The storms are Polo 84, Rachel 90, Rosa 94, Juliette 95, Danny 97, Madeline 98 though all but two of these systme never did that much. Also, why is there a need for {{tl|clear}} after the 1990-94 section? And, David Roth works for the HPC, not the NWS. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Added info on Tico and Hermine, as well as added the two storms (Madeline, Rosa) that you mentioned. Will add the rest of those storms tomorrow, if they affected Texas. Also, the second sentence on Don seems important. --TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 03:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

::::::::done - Added only Rachel of 1990, as there was no other sources that I could find for the other ones. Also fixed Don, as you asked. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 21:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::Wikilink stuff in the refs on their first usage. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 03:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::done - Finished... I think. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 19:57, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Support now. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 19:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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1. Why is the lead in past tense while the rest of the article is in present?
2. "The first storm to impact the state during the period was also Hurricane Allen in August 1980, and the most recent was Tropical Storm Don in 2011." – "and" → "with" (refer to first comment).
3. "At least 12 tornadoes are also reported as a result of Allen, with one causing $250 million in damages after damaging hangars and aircraft at Robert Mueller Municipal Airport" – The usage of damages and damaging in close proximity to each other is a bit redundant. Find another word?
4. "Two people are killed, one due to the driver deliberately driving their vehicle into flooding water." – You mentioned how one died, why not the other?
5. "Mid-November 1980 – Hurricane Jeanne over the Western Gulf of Mexico causes tides to rise up to 4 ft (1.2 m) above average along the Texas coast. Coastal flooding also occurs with the worst being near Galveston. Minimal damage is reported." – A comma is needed after "Mid-November", with another needed after "occurs" in the second sentence.
6. "Late-August, 1981 – Tropical Depression Eight moves ashore northeast Mexico on August 29 and into the United States on August 30. As an ill-defined surface low, a large thunderstorm complex formed near its center that day, which unleashed very heavy rainfall in a 50 mi (80 km) wide band covering a 200 mi (320 km) path from Seguin to north of Houston. The highest rainfall amount reported is from Cheapside, where 18 in (460 mm) fell in the 24 hour period ending on the morning of August 31. Five die in the town of Shiner due to the heavy rains. Heavy rain in downtown Hallettsville causes floods and torrential rain, reaching a peak of 5 ft (1.5 m). Significant flooding occurs along the Lavaca, Guadalupe, and Colorado rivers in Texas. Damages from the floods amount to nearly $21 million." – You swap between past and present tense here.
7. "October 13, 1981 – Hurricane Norma produces 21 in (530 mm) of rain near Dallas-Fort Worth, killing five after making landfall on the Pacific coast of Mexico. Multiple tornadoes touch down in six counties in the region, injuring three. Hurricane Norma causes $50 million in damages and kills three people in Texas." – Switch the order of this sentence so it read landfall in Mexico --> impact in Texas and not impact in Texas --> landfall in Mexico like it does in its current state.
8. "September 11, 1982 – Tropical Storm Chris makes landfall near Sabine Pass, causing wind damage to Port Arthur." – Any specifics?
9. "August 28, 1983 – Hurricane Barry, a weak Category 1, makes landfall just south of Brownsville and forces the evacuation of 4,000 people, but causes minimal damage." – This may sound picky, but there is no such thing as a weak Category. Use minimal and then replace the use of "minimal" at the end of the sentence with "minor".
10. "Mid-September, 1984 – The remnants of Tropical Storm Edouard cause severe flooding in South Texas, with some amounts in excess of 20 in (510 mm)." – That's not worded too formally. How about, "The remnants of Tropical Storm Edouard cause severe flooding in South Texas, where some isolated locations receive totals in excess of 20 in (510 mm)"?
11. "Hurricane Bonnie makes landfall in Southeast Texas as a Category 1 hurricane near High Island. Bonnie kills four people in Texas and heavy rainfall causes street flooding, with rainfall peaking at 13 in (330 mm) and many areas picking up at least 10 in (250 mm). Bonnie also spawns four tornadoes in Texas." --> "Hurricane Bonnie makes landfall near High Island in Southeast Texas, killing four people and producing heavy rainfall that causes street flooding. Some areas receive totals above 10 in (250 mm).
12. "An unnamed storm makes landfall near High Island, Texas producing over 1 in (25 mm) of rain over East Texas." – Comma after the first use of "Texas", and change "East Texas" to "the eastern portions of the state".
13. "Some areas receive 11.8 in (300 mm) of rain, causing some localized flash flooding." – Redundancy with the word "some".
14. More vauge-ness with some sentences across the article. State specific rainfall totals, not just say "it causes some rainfall at location X".
15. Make sure all windspeeds are rounded to the nearest five (ex. 135 mph = 217 km/h).

:done - believe I tidied up all the issues. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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• Support Now. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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• Mid-October 1994: "The floods kill 22 people and causes $700 million in damages." "causes" → "cause".
• This one's still there. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:::done - fixed.

::::No, it's not. Please look again. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Refs 22, 23, 63, 71, 81, and 108 have hyphens in their titles that should be en dashes instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
• I'm noticing an issue where the en dashes you added are preceded by visible pipes. This goes for the section headers and these ref titles. Also, ref 111 still has a faulty hyphen. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:::I did fix reference 111, but what exactly do you mean that the en dashes are preceded by visible pipes? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 02:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

::::All of the headings, and the en dashes you added, look like this: 1980|–1984. Just look at the section headings and you'll see what I mean. The latest fix has one as well. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::I'm not seeing the pipes in the headings either. I searched the wiki markup too, and didn't find |– anywhere. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 16:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::Take a look at the edit I just made and you'll see what I found. I didn't touch the ones in the references because I don't want to do all of the work the nominator should be doing. I recommend going through the refs carefully for pipes that shouldn't be there and removing any that you find. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::::How strange. I'm looking at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Texas_hurricanes_%281980%E2%80%93present%29&diff=506753851&oldid=506671568 the diff], and it is highlighting all the section headers, but they're displaying the same before and after. It shows you removed 24 bytes, but I literally cannot see any difference in the edits. I copy/pasted a before and after header from the difference into a new edit window, and the pipes magically appeared. But they are otherwise invisible to me. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 17:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::::I started a discussion here to try to get some more information. Looks like the characters added are not exactly pipes, but an odd type of special character for separating words without adding a space. Now I'm curious how you added them in the first place, Austin Man. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 19:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::I'm not too sure of how I added them in. I don't use any editing tools as well that may have caused it. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 20:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::Regardless of how you added them, I still see some in the reference titles. I strongly suggest going through the references and removing any that you find, as I recommended earlier. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::Unfortunately, as my browser or any of my browsers cannot render zero width-non joiners, I cannot see any of them, and therefore I cannot remove them. If I had to remove them, it would be a game of Minesweeper, because I would have to go through every single space and in between every single character looking for something I cannot see, and as such I would have to keep backspacing and spacing to see if there was a hidden ZWNJ, which is very tedious work that I cannot do myself. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 19:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Also frankly enough, viewing the page source (using Firefox, not editing interface) does not reveal any ZWNJs. There were no {{unichar|200C|ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER|html=}}s in the source coding. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 19:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I personally don't think it's a serious issue, and would suggest that Giants2008 remove them if desired, since he's the only one among those who have participated in this FAC who is able to see them in his browser. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 19:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)}}

For full disclosure, I did fix the last issue since I was apparently the only one who saw it. Normally I wouldn't work on a candidate like this, but this is a special case and I didn't want this to hold up the process. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:49, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Could make lead image bigger so we can see more detail.
• "at least 69" vs monthly stats table which lists 68...
• I would expect the lead to be a bit larger for an article of this size per WP:LEAD.
• Don't think you need to link common terms like "hangar" or "aircraft".
• Or "tide".
• Something a bit odd with ref 17.
• And isn't it The Gainsville Sun?
• Ref 102 could use an access date.
• Ref 110 uses the format=pdf parameter, most, if not all of the other PDF sources don't use this. Be consistent.

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

::done - fixed up all your comments, might want to check the extra paragraph I added in the lead for errors. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 21:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Comment You should be consistent with your date formats in your refs "24 July 2012" or "July 24, 2012", you also shorten July in Ref 132. Afro (Talk) 10:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

:done - completed. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 20:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

::Support I have no issues with the article. Afro (Talk) 04:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support I did some copy editing for the article, but I think it passes all the other FL criteria at this time. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 19:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Comment

• In the Deadly storms section, the total deaths table does not meet MOS:DTT, you need to add col and rowscopes. Also not evident what is referencing the table. I notice ref 1 has a list of deaths from hurricanes, would out the ref next to the caption so its evident what the ref for the table is. NapHit (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• The col and row scopes point is valid, but each death total is already individually referenced in the prose sections. I suppose a new column could be added to list the refs for each storm, since it's not the same ref for all of them. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 15:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:::done - Added the col and rowscopes, and subsequently added a references column in case. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 21:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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