Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 18#File:Lacan2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Peripitus}} AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::File:{{ucfirst:CrosbyFlora.jpg}} ([{{fullurl:File:CrosbyFlora.jpg|action=delete&wpReason={{urlencode:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 18#File:CrosbyFlora.jpg}}}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:{{ucfirst:CrosbyFlora.jpg}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode:File:{{ucfirst:CrosbyFlora.jpg}}}}}} logs]) - uploaded by Jackhughes ([{{fullurl:User_talk:Jackhughes|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify] | contribs).

• Low quality, orphaned, use not stated. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:Also no source or evidence for license. The claimed flickr source is similar, but not the same photo (and all of tdietmut's flickr images appear to be licensed NC-ND). --dave pape (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need for this file, as another, public domain, image of the sculpture exists (Rotterdam kunstwerk Flora.jpg) in the Wikimedia Commons.~~Jackhughes~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackhughes (talk • contribs) 10:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Peripitus}} AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::File:{{ucfirst:An Ode to the Sonics.GIF}} ([{{fullurl:File:An Ode to the Sonics.GIF|action=delete&wpReason={{urlencode:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 18#File:An Ode to the Sonics.GIF}}}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:{{ucfirst:An Ode to the Sonics.GIF}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode:File:{{ucfirst:An Ode to the Sonics.GIF}}}}}} logs]) - uploaded by Tjm777 ([{{fullurl:User_talk:Tjm777|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify] | contribs).

• It is clearly a modification of the Seattle SuperSonics logo which is a copyrighted logo and not the authors own work Salavat (talk) 03:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Peripitus}} AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::File:{{ucfirst:Vonslogo.PNG}} ([{{fullurl:File:Vonslogo.PNG|action=delete&wpReason={{urlencode:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 18#File:Vonslogo.PNG}}}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:{{ucfirst:Vonslogo.PNG}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode:File:{{ucfirst:Vonslogo.PNG}}}}}} logs]) - uploaded by Caldorwards4 ([{{fullurl:User_talk:Caldorwards4|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify] | contribs).

• Orphaned file, succeeded by :File:Vons.svg. — ξ^xplicit 03:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Peripitus}} AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

::File:{{ucfirst:BibleBelt revised.png}} ([{{fullurl:File:BibleBelt revised.png|action=delete&wpReason={{urlencode:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 November 18#File:BibleBelt revised.png}}}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:{{ucfirst:BibleBelt revised.png}}|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page={{urlencode:File:{{ucfirst:BibleBelt revised.png}}}}}} logs]) - uploaded by DuffDudeX1 ([{{fullurl:User_talk:DuffDudeX1|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify] | contribs).

• Unencyclopedic; he admitted it was a joke on the talk page Jyuichi (talk) 04:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Image does not exist. If the file name in the header contains a typo, feel free to correct the typo and un-close this discussion. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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• OR - easily replaced by text Skier Dude (talk) 07:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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• Image was just grabbed from a web gallery that is not too concerned about the copyright of the images it uses. Damiens.rf 13:12, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
• Keep: Fair use. Subject died almost 30 years ago. The few images of him are widely reproduced and their copyrights are pretty much impossible to determine. Evenfiel (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
• As shown by Pablosecca in this file - :File:Lacan-by-pablo-secca.png, though perhaps not this one :File:Jacques Lacan ironie.jpg, A free image does exist and if the quality is insufficient then there are lots here who are good artists. Given the large number of images (see [http://nosubject.com/Jacques_Lacan:Pictures http://nosubject.com/Jacques_Lacan:Pictures]) of him....some work needs to be done to show the image is NOT replaceable. Google searching for provenance of these images is a poor substitute for off-line digging. The images were never created as digital works and what is online are unsourced representations of images that exist in other media. What I wish for here, and for other debates of the same character, is that the claim the image is not replaceable is backed up by more than the subjects death date. - Peripitus (Talk) 07:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:As a matter of fact, I had checked his books in my university's library, but whenever they had a picture it didn't mention any copyright. I've also had the idea of checking Google Books. I found a few books that had his picture in the cover, for example - [http://books.google.com/books?id=Zya4wpdXNKEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=jacques+lacan&lr=lang_fr&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100&as_brr=3&ei=J-oJS7upCp-CygSwnKS-Dw&rview=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false 1], [http://books.google.com/books?id=OOJCR9aC47cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=lacan&ei=W-kJS_6BGYqGzAScmLDADw#v=onepage&q=&f=false 2] and [http://books.google.com/books?id=KgkhgMwcz8IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=jacques+lacan&lr=&ei=gukJS-37CaWkyASMi9TMDw&rview=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false 3], but only this [http://books.google.com/books?id=OD9_ntdVN2wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=jacques+lacan&ei=eOkJS5bxI6fgyASj-_2_Dw&rview=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false one] mentioned who took the photo. I also ended up finding a [http://books.google.com.br/books?id=d5w4OHk5GlEC&pg=PA264-IA3&lpg=PA264-IA3&dq=%22jerry+bauer%22+lacan&source=bl&ots=3dhdVqboC9&sig=TGxrdO9B92--1N794WdQtHD3Z6k&hl=en&ei=desJS7X3KYKluAe_haTkAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22jerry%20bauer%22%20lacan&f=false book] with a few pictures of french academics, along with the photographer's name. I googled every one of them, and managed to find the homepage of three photographers. Three of them I was not able to locate, and one - James Andanson - could be the photographer who died in Lady Diana's accident (Edit: I mixed things up. He died in another accident). I'll e-mail those three guys and see if I can get any copyrighted pictures. If that does not work, I have no idea how I would be able to get any free Lacan picture. Evenfiel (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

• Keep: Fair use. Per Evenfiel, no direct substitution is likely for dead historical subject with few photographs. LotLE×talk 08:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
• I didn't receive any reply... Evenfiel (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:Jerry Bauer, the photographer who took the following pictures of Lacan - [http://books.google.com.br/books?id=d5w4OHk5GlEC&pg=PA264-IA3&lpg=PA264-IA3&dq=%22jerry+bauer%22+lacan&source=bl&ots=3dhdVqboC9&sig=TGxrdO9B92--1N794WdQtHD3Z6k&hl=en&ei=desJS7X3KYKluAe_haTkAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22jerry%20bauer%22%20lacan&f=false 1] and [http://books.google.com/books?id=OD9_ntdVN2wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=jacques+lacan&ei=eOkJS5bxI6fgyASj-_2_Dw&rview=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false 2] - just gave me the permission to use his pictures, though he didn't send me any file and I have yet to find an ok version of those pictures. Maybe he took more pictures of him, but I cannot verify that. Here is his e-mail:

:"Dear Andre, Wikipedia has used my pictures previously. No need for these contracts. Same terms. No fee for Wikipedia but the photo must have my name with a copyright sign, and must be low resolution not to be downloaded. Any person who wishes to use the photo for whatever purpose must first contact me. Please send me a copy of the finished article with photo . Nothing further to discuss. Best wishes, Jerry Bauer"

How should we proceed from here? I just searched for other pictures by him that were added to Wikimedia Commons, and all of them are there because they were in public domain, not due to his permission... Evenfiel (talk) 02:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Peripitus}} AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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• This clearly doesn't satisfy the NFCC... it simply shows one man cowering under another, on a bed. This is replaceable by text (as just demonstrated...) ╟─TreasuryTag►Lord Speaker─╢ 20:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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