Wikipedia:GLAM/Teylers/One on one collaborations

Here Wikipedians can list requests to curators. You can ask the curators a question or request an illustration for an article. You can also ask a question via email: challenge[.AT.]teylersmuseum.nl (Vragen mogen ook in het Nederlands gesteld worden).

Hi, would it be OK to release the text of the will and testament of Pieter Teyler to [http://nl.wikisource.org/wiki/Hoofdpagina Wikisource]? I have that book, but it would be great to just be able to search quickly for keywords. Since it's been printed I assume it is therefore digital already! I suppose it is free from copyright due to the age, but I don't know if this is a problem for the museum. Thanks, Jane (talk) 12:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

• As founding document of both Teylers Stichting and Teylers Museum, Pieter Teyler's testament is still in the possession of Teylers Stichting. Unfortunately I can therefore not supply you with a searchable version for Wikisource. The manuscript, however, is available on the museum's website: http://www.teylersmuseum.eu/teylersuniversum/illustraties/pdf/Testament.pdf.Gjjanse (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

10:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)Gjjanse (talk)====Atoposaurus====

Can we get some info on how this fossil made its way into the museum? Thx Jane (talk) 15:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

• Bert Sliggers, Curator of the Paleontology-Mineralogy Cabinet will look into this!Gjjanse (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• Unpublished research of Bert Sliggers based on the accounts in the archive of Teylers Stichting: Atoposaurus oberndorfi was bought by Teylers Museum in 1863 from August Adam Krantz (1809-1872), dealer in minerals in Bonn (from 1850 onwards). On 9-8-1863 Krantz offered J.G.S. van Breda, curator of the Paleontology-Mineralogy Cabinet of Teylers Museum, several so-called holotypes (examples used for the first scientific description of the species). The holotypes had been described by Von Meyer in his Zur Fauna der Vorwelt (1860). Van Breda not only acquired the Atoposaurus, but also the Sapheosaurus laticeps, Homaeosaurus maximilliani, Rhamphorynchus gemmingi, Pterodactylus longiropteris and Pterodactylus meyeri. All these holotypes are still in the collection of Teylers Museum- and are each interesting topics for an article on Wikipedia! Please credit Bert for his research in a reference if you use this info. Gjjanse (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

::Um, I feel like I just took a crash course in Paleontology just by reading this bit, but I added it to the article. Just to be careful, I went back to the Teylers to look at these holotypes and I noticed they have been photographed by others and are already on Commons, but the names seem different than what is written here and what is written in the cabinets. I recall that Bert made mention of the fact that the cards haven't changed since Winkler (and that is the charm of Teylers), but how should I refer to the fossils then? By TM number? If so, is there a cross-reference anywhere on the TM numbers and the proper names? I assume not, but just asking in case there is. Thx Jane (talk) 08:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

::: There are two types of inventory numbers: the old Winkler number (starting with 'W') and the current inventory number. Quite a few of the scientific names have changed since Winkler's day. The names used on the cards (and in the collection database) are based on Winkler's description as published in his Catalogue systematique de la Collection Paléontologie du Musée Teyler (1863) - they should be regarded as historical information.Gjjanse (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::::Thanks! That does explain things. I now get why there was some discussion on a few of the pages I was looking at. I am sure this is the case for several other natural history museums. Jane (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• The painting Wolfhezen made by Johannes Warnardus Bilders. It will be displayed at :nl:Wolfhezerheide. Pompidom (talk) 07:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
• Picture will be uploaded to Wiki Commons. For more info on this painting (in Dutch) see: http://195.93.225.100/internetserver/search.aspx > search for 'Wolfheze' Gjjanse (talk) 13:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Teylers_Museum_KS131.jpg Gjjanse (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
• Thank you! I've added the picture to the article. Pompidom (talk) 14:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
• Could you please mention in the caption the painting is from the collection of Teylers Museum? Thank you! Gjjanse (talk) 15:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Done. Jane (talk) 09:33, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• I wanted to include an overview of at least the first directors on Teylers Stichting, but have been unable to find an overview. Is this available online, or could this be provided by the museum/foundation? effeietsanders 10:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
• An overview of the Directors (and the members of the Two Teyler Societies) can be found in: Teyler 1778-1978. Studies en bijdragen over Teylers Stichting naar aanleiding van het tweede eeuwfeest (Haarlem / Antwerpen 1978). Online you can find some information on http://www.teylersuniversum.nl. I will add a list to your article. Thanks for participating! p.s. Have you registered at Wikipedia:GLAM/Teylers/Multilingual Challenge/Participants? Gjjanse (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
• I assume that title you quote is a book? If you could add a list, that would be great. If the list is too long, we could perhaps create a separate list article at some point, but that is worries for later. I didn't register as a participant - unsure if I will. Right now I simply wanted to write some decent quality English articles so that our international colleagues have something to work from as well, considering that most sources are in Dutch. My primary intention here isn't to win something - but maybe I'll change my mind later :) effeietsanders 09:56, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
• I was able to use the book and take over the factual parts of the list. See List of directors of Teylers Stichting, List of members of Teylers Eerste Genootschap and List of members of Teylers Tweede Genootschap. Unfortunately this list only goes, as you remarked, until 1978. Could you perhaps add the names after that, or tell me where I can find those? Thanks! effeietsanders 09:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
• Well done- thank you! Unfortunately the lists of members have not been kept up to date after 1978... You can find most of the later names in the archive, but that's a bit of a puzzle and a lot of work. I'll see what I can find!Gjjanse (talk) 12:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

• What are the measures of the different rooms? (length, width, height) Would be helpful information in the article for people to get an impression. effeietsanders 10:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
• Perhaps a small map of the museum would be useful for this purpose? I will see what we have. Gjjanse (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
• That would be very useful indeed! Thanks a lot, effeietsanders 09:56, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
• We're working on it! Gjjanse (talk) 13:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
• Map uploaded and added to Teylers Museum article. Gjjanse (talk) 15:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks a lot, very helpful! effeietsanders 10:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I would like to add the prize medals to the 1st and 2nd society pages. One is on the website here:

http://www.teylersmuseum.eu/index.php?item=18

As far as I can tell, this one is made by Johann Georg Holtzhey, but what about the other one, or is this the same medal? Jane (talk) 10:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

• Pictures uploaded and added. See Johann Georg Holtzhey and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Gjjanse. I have also uploaded a picture of the Verhandelingen and the competetion programme of Teylkers Second Society. Gjjanse (talk) 11:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello curator. About a year ago I started Willem Anne Lestevenon on both the Dutch and English Wikipedia. Would there be more information on him in the museum or do you have a picture of the works he bought for the museum? The article looks very boring now, but the man is not. Taksen (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

• Willem Anne Lestevenon was a member of Teylers Second Society from 1780-1797. He was an active support of Martinus van Marum's utilitarian approach of the natural sciences as he expected these sciences to be fundamental for the recovery of Haarlem's textile industry. You can read more about this (and his political activities as a patriot) in J. H. van Borssum Buisman, H. Enno van Gelder, Teyler 1778-1978:studies en bijdragen over Teylers Stichting naar aanleiding van het tweede eeuwfeest (1978). You can find some info on his acquisition of the Christina of Sweden collection here: http://www.teylersmuseum.eu/teylersuniversum/index.php?m=narratio&id=6&nvlng=en (also available in Dutch, with images). I will upload some pictures. Gjjanse (talk) 08:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
• Raphael, Putto carrying the Medici ring and feathers, 1512-14, black chalk, white highlighting; 339 x 194 mm. One of the 1700 drawings acquired by Lestevenon for Teylers Museum in Rome in 1790. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rafael,_Putto_carrying_the_Medici_ring_and_feathers,_1512-14.jpg Gjjanse (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Teylers Challenge april 2012 - 7056.JPG

Hi, I went to the museum to take pictures of the cabinets, but the glare makes them mostly unusable and well, I am definitely not a very steady hand when taking photos just holding my camera. Can you upload pictures of Cabinets I through X in the Instrument room and the same for the Fossil room II? I would like to show the instruments and fossils in the context of the presentation method (namely glass display cases from the 19th century) and woul dlike to use these on the Instrument room page and (still to be created) Fossil room II page. Thx Jane (talk) 08:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

: Hi, for the Instruments you can find these pictures on http://instrumenten.teylersmuseum.nl/ Are those useful? I will upload a picture of Fossil Room II. Gjjanse (talk) 12:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks! We already have great pictures of Fossil room I and II, but not of the individual cabinets. Quistnix took a great one, but I would like to see the others. Here is what I mean: (see above). Jane (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

: I will definitely use those instrument photos from the website if you put the right license on them! Now the website shows Pictura as contact, and they have no license info on their website. In particular, I was interested in the electriseermachines (like the original first one, which is now on the bottom shelf in the dark). Jane (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Pictures uploaded http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Interior_Fossil_Room_II_Teylers_Museum.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Interior_Instrument_Room_Teylers_Museum.jpg Gjjanse (talk) 12:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Here Curators can list requests to Wikipedians.

• Voor een aantal onderwerpen is het Engelse artikel inmiddels aangemaakt of aangevuld, bijvoorbeeld Pieter Teyler en Teylers Eerste Genootschap. De Nederlandse versies van deze artikelen bestaan nog niet of zijn erg summier. Wie vindt het interessant hier aan bij te dragen? Gjjanse (talk) 12:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• To create a good and reliable starting point for the multilingual Teylers Challenge, I have adjusted the Teylers Museum page and added info + pictures! Gjjanse (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

::Also did some work on Pieter Teyler: added info, pictures, literature and links. Gjjanse (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

• Not sure exactly where to put this, since it is more a question for Wikimedia Commons, but please don't forget to add the artwork template to photos of paintings, drawings, or prints taken in the museum. That template allows for listing the photographer (you) as well as the original artist. Though the museum allows photography of all Teylers-owned items, many photo's are now labelled with the "self" or "own work" template that are actually of two dimensional art. The same goes for photos of coins and instruments. Jane (talk) 11:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Now online: the summary of the extensive file which the Museum has compiled for Unesco as part of the application procedure to be admitted to the Unesco World Heritage List. Contains lots of info on the history of Teylers Museum and the collections. See: http://www.teylersmuseum.eu/pdf/1328013930_EXECUTIVE_SUMMARY.pdf and http://www.teylersmuseum.eu/index.php?item=134&lang=nl Gjjanse (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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