Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic/1

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Uncited statements, including entire paragraphs. Z1720 (talk) 04:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

:Could you be more specific - I see one overtly problematic paragraph (second paragraph of Sovietization), what other ones are of concern? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

::{{re|Goldsztajn}} I have added citation needed tags where they are needed. Z1720 (talk) 03:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm making some progress with the uncited sections, will keep working on it, I'll need four or five days. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 06:10, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

• I'm concerned with the broadness of this page. This is a polity of 70 years, but little is covered outside of History. I don't think a Geography section is needed given it would likely replicate current Armenia, but there should be coverage of the population and culture. Perhaps the article could have more on the raions and cities, and more on the economy and infrastructure. This was surely a time of huge change. Lastly, should there be an extended paragraph on the flag based only on the Memoirs of Nikita Khrushchev? CMD (talk) 06:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
• :I think the point is this is a page that will predominantly need to reflect a specific historical period and politics, population and culture will to a large extent be subsumed into that (for example, note the religious aspects discussed during the Thaw section). However, will try to address some of these issues. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::Other aspects should not be subsumed under History on this article, that would only be the case for a dedicated History article (currently there is not one). As a comparison, consider East Germany. A much broader coverage of politics, administration, economics, demographics, and culture, as well as a Legacy section, possibly relevant here too. CMD (talk) 02:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
• :::FWIW WP:SIZERULE; the DDR article is somewhat bloated. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 20:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::::I think we may need to quick fail/delist this. I'm seeing some sections which appear to be close paraphrasing of "A concise history of the Armenian people: (from ancient times to the present)" by George A Bournoutian. The text previously referenced was the 5th edition, however [https://archive.org/details/concisehistoryof00geor I accessed the 2nd edition at the archive.org library], and this shows sections which have been simply reordered. I'll need to do a full check. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• :::::The DDR article is long because of its 4,000 word History section, this has little bearing on the rest of the sections. That's also more GACR3b, not GACR3a, which is the issue here. Thanks for the copyvio note, that's a rough find. I don't seem to have access at archive.org. Looking at early revisions, the 2006 version was initially cited[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armenian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic&oldid=98717572]. CMD (talk) 02:42, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::Apologies, RL has delayed me on this, will be able to review the close paraphrasing within 48 hours. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 02:33, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::{{u|Goldsztajn}}, did you ever get a chance to review the potential WP:CLOP? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::@AirshipJungleman29 Apologies, March turned out to be busier than expected both here and in RL. Give me another day, please. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::Any updates {{u|Goldsztajn}}? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::Hi @AirshipJungleman29 - apologies (again) for the delay. I've finally managed to go through the text more fully. As far as I can see, the first two paragraphs in the section "Khrushchev Thaw in Armenia" more or less paraphrase p.322 of George Bournoutian's A concise history of the Armenian people (2003). However, the I think the text in the body is sufficiently different. For example:
• ::::::::::* Bournoutian: "Stalin's death in 1953 opened a new era for Armenia and the rest of the Soviet Union. The first step towards this was to remove the pervasive control of the secret police."
• ::::::::::* Article: "Armenia underwent significant social and cultural changed in the aftermath of Stalin's death in 1953 ... During the subsequent Khrushchev Thaw Soviet leadership loosened the grip of the pervasive NKVD."
• ::::::::::* Bournoutian: "and rehabilitated dead communists executed during the Great Purge, such as Khanjian and Charents, as well as the releasing thousands political prisoners from the Siberian gulag. The works of Raffi and Raphael Patkanian were returned to print. In 1962, the massive statue of Stalin that towered over Yerevan was pulled down from its pedestal by troops and replaced in 1967 with that of Mother Armenia."
• ::::::::::* Article: "...enabled the rehabilitation of dead communists such as Khanjian and Charents, the release of thousands from the Siberian gulag, and the republication of Raffi and Patkanian. Stalin’s body was removed from Lenin’s tomb on Red Square; his large statue in Armenia was toppled and eventually replaced by one of Mother Armenia."
• ::::::::::* Bournoutian: "Khrushchev's changes in the economic sector were significant for Armenia as well. Large collective farms were divided into smaller ones. Armenia was permitted to plant other crops besides grain. Tobacco, vegetables, grapes and other fruits, more suitable to Armenia's soil and climate were planted."
• ::::::::::* Article: "Moreover, the Union-wide economic reforms affected Armenia, diversifying its grain production, farmers were permitted to cultivate small plots for their own personal use, and the newly-integrated production of livestock and various irrigation projects increased Armenia's agricultural output." (This is cited to Bournoutian).
• ::::::::::Goldsztajn (talk) 12:27, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

I did a pass wielding the "Armenian concise history" book—added citation, expanded, shuffled info, etc. Only one citation-less paragraph remains, a list of Armenian people from 20th century who defined certain period of Soviet Armenia, but I have a feeling it's just a list of successful people from 20th century Armenia who have a wiki pages, and a wiki editor loosely connected them. Since they are popular and sucessful figures, it can be assumed that they are a part of Soviet Armenia zeitgeist, but the concise history and google didn't produce anything remotely useful to prove it. I would delete it. LastJabberwocky (talk) 12:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• I have added 2 citation needed tags in the "Military forces" section. Z1720 (talk) 14:50, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
• This was flagged at WT:GA as a stale review, but it looks like it's been cleared up? -- asilvering (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:*Keep: I do not see any citation concerns. Z1720 (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)