Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Images to improve/Archive/Aug 2007

{{GLarchive| August 2007}}

{{did}} The War: Defence of Paris - Students Going to Man the Fortifications

Article(s):

Franco-Prussian War, Les Miserables (based on the Franco-Prussian War and Paris Commune, after all)

Request: -- Please stitch these two images together! It's too big for me to scan in one go. I've scanned them quite large - 400dpi when 300 dpi is usually quite sufficient, so you may want to shrink them a tiny bit, although I wouldn't do so excessively, much under 300dpi and you get Moire and loss of details. And, yes, I know: I named them funny, with that Image- at the start. Lose that in the final version. Sorry! Adam Cuerden talk 21:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Okay Right on it > Rugby471 talk 07:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! Adam Cuerden talk 13:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Defence-of-Paris.png

::Sorry, got a little tired of waiting. There's my attempt to the right. Tell me what you think. -- VegitaU 14:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Looks good, though we're going to have to downsample it to about 3/4ths the original size for use on Wikipedia, thanks to that thumbnail bug. It's a little tilted - Probably in my original scans, since I was trying to get them to line up well with each other, not necessarily with the edges of the paper. Could possibly up the contrast a tiny bit to make the background pure white. Stitching is very good:I can't spot the stitch, so =) Adam Cuerden talk 17:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} Image help - Redstone's cornerstone jpeg

Image:MVC-275F.JPG

Image:SanFranLabor.jpg|VegitaU's attempt

Article(s):

Redstone Building

Request:

Great image but doesn't read well in article(s). Could be cropped a bit a the top (keeping some of the redstone brick visible) and is there anything to make the engraved text "pop" more? Any help appreciated. Benjiboi 11:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I'm on it... see what a little Photoshop will do. -- VegitaU 11:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:SanFranLabor.jpg

:All right, done. -- VegitaU 12:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

{{clear}}

{{did}} Rotate

Image:Como_Conservatory_Sunken_Garden.JPG

Article(s): none yet

Request: This will probably take a Wikigraphist about five minutes once they stop laughing at how simple it is, but I can't figure out how to rotate this picture. I can rotate it in my image viewer on my computer, but images aren't really my thing and I don't know how to modify the actual file. I don't have any image software so, even if I did know how, I probably don't have the right tools.-- Natalie 00:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I got this, don't worry. -- VegitaU 00:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:Done! -- VegitaU 00:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:Redone losslessly, using XnView. (Smaller file size; no loss of image quality) CountingPine 14:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

::Sweet. I promise someday I'll learn. Natalie 00:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Don't worry about it Natalie, if everyone knew how to do these kinds things we would be out of work.:) @Vegita: Three for three. Nice work! Cheers--Cronholm144 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Thanks, Cronholm. Leave the Photoshoppin to me, I'll leave the SVG'in to you. Oh, and welcome back. How was the vacation? Image:Smile.svg -- VegitaU 00:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::Great! Colorado is beautiful this time of year. :)--Cronholm144 00:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} Franco-Prussian War - Cafe

:Image:Franco-Prussian_War-_Illustrated_London_News,_September_17,_1870_-_Discussing_the_War_in_a_Paris_Café - right.PNG

:Image:Franco-Prussian_War-_Illustrated_London_News,_September_17,_1870_-_Discussing_the_War_in_a_Paris_Café - left.PNG

Article(s): Franco-Prussian War, Siege of Paris, etc.

Request: Another simple piece-together that I just don't have the software for. I don't think it'll be too difficult, and I feel a right idiot for having to ask. Sorry! It might benefit a bit from straightening, though it's not too far off. Also, it might need shrunk down a tiny bit to get it within size limits - probably not too much, though, as this one isn't full-page like the last one: it was surrounded by a discussion of T.H. Huxley, of all things. -- Adam Cuerden talk 08:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I'll get on this. vlad§inger tlk 11:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay, I think I got it. I can't upload it just yet though, I have to leave the house. I'll get it up around one pm eastern time. vlad§inger tlk 11:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:ParisCafeDiscussion.png

:I get tired of waiting; sorry. Here's the upload to the right. Let me know what ye think. -- VegitaU 14:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::Heh. Next time, I'm going to have to upload several of these at once: You lads tend to trip over each other a bit =) It looks good. I cleaned up some dirt on the image and re-uploaded, but that's a fault of the original scans (hard to clean up something in two halves) Adam Cuerden talk 14:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I did mine first! :). Do you have any more of these? vlad§inger tlk 18:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Heh. Only a couple reams. It's fun being an amateur scholar. Adam Cuerden talk 01:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} A map of [[Goree]]

Image:Goree3.jpg

Image:Map of Goree.svg

Articles: Goree

Request: If possible, an SVG map of the place, if not, something less pixelated or of higher resolution. If absolutely nothing else, a better scale marking that doesn't equate 500 yards with 500 meters! 68.39.174.238 16:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion: I'm nearly done with this. vlad§inger tlk 18:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:Uploading... vlad§inger tlk 18:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

::There! How's that? vlad§inger tlk 18:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm. Maybe just a tiny bit more whitespace on the left? "Bandstand" runs a bit close to the left border. Also, the Bandstand line could be a bit more horizontal, I suppose. But don't worry about me. I don't even know what Goree is. Adam Cuerden talk 01:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Excellent! 68.39.174.238 16:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I didn't know what Goree was either before this. :). I'll add a little white on the left, reupload, add the "done" tag, and switch out the image in the article. vlad§inger tlk 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::I think I'll put this on Commons instead. When the Wikipedia copy is deleted, the latest rev. should show up in the article. vlad§inger tlk 17:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Looks very good, in any case =) Adam Cuerden talk 17:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} Strasbourg Aftermath

Article(s): Siege of Strasbourg, which doesn't currently have an image.

Request: Another basic piece-together and straightening, I fear. Forgive the typo in the upload name (Strasbourg, not Strausbourg). By the way, I'm told that JPEGs don't suffer the thumbnail problem, so use that if you think it worth it.

Please, please tell me if I'm asking for too many of these. I don't want to be a pain. -- Adam Cuerden talk 15:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:StrasbourgSiege.png

Graphist opinion: I got this. -- VegitaU 15:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:Done. PNGs seem to save filespace; at least in this case, and, as long as they aren't enormous, don't have a thumbnail problem. -- VegitaU 15:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

::My god, that was fast! Great work as always! Adam Cuerden talk 16:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


{{did}} Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

:Image:HWLongfellow001.PNG

:Image:HWLongfellow002.PNG

Article(s): Have a guess ;)

Request: Another stitch-together. But we ought to have a good image of him, and this is better than any we have. If you're feeling ambitious, remove the minor printing error that created a white line about three-fourths down. (And mark the modification on the image page: They get cranky over there if you don't) -- Adam Cuerden talk 17:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Henry-Longfellow.png

Graphist opinion: Okay, done. This was a little harder; the pictures didn't stitch as seamlessly as before and a lot of the features were at odd angles. I tried to fix all these problems and that line. -- VegitaU 21:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry, I did try to get them straight, but had some trouble getting everything needed in without going to three scans. Adam Cuerden talk 04:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


:::Forgive me, I have flu, and I become very stream of consciousness when I'm ill.

::::Wow, I didn't even notice the thumbnail bug. I'll shrink it and straighten it up for you. Feel better. -- VegitaU 18:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)What's up with that thumbnail bug? That's confusing. -- VegitaU 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I straightened the picture out with Rugby471's help. And it looks like that weird bug is gone. Whatever THAT was about. -- VegitaU 18:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

::That's lovely! Thanks! Adam Cuerden talk 23:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to ask before I started uploading everywhere: Would you mind stitching together a few more? I have several images at about this size that would make good illustrations for various things... Adam Cuerden talk 13:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

..Well, if this one is done, why don't we delete the two halves? vlad§inger tlk 02:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:I think mainly because I don't have a commons admin account. Probably should upload to en. next time. Adam Cuerden talk 07:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

:: Commons is the best place for free images, simply place a "{{delete}}" on commons and they will disappear eventually.--Cronholm144 08:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

=={{did}} Coat of arms of Laos==

Image:Wappen laos sw.png|b/w variant

Image:Laos new.gif|colors are more garish, but show how temple is colored

Image:Coat_of_arms_of_Laos.svg|fifth upload with text in Laos script, rather than a tracing

Image:Coat_of_arms_of_Laos.svg

Article(s): Coat of arms of Laos

Request: In looking for information on the above Laos Scout emblem (thanks so much, guys), I found that we have a black-and-white coat of arms rather than a colored one. I would like it colored. Chris 05:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I imagine you'd want an SVG? If so I'll have a go but I might mess up: that's all I seem to have done recently. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sure you'll do just fine, Dave, and thank you for your hard work and contributions! Chris 18:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

:) Here's a first upload: I did the bottom half of the image and the temple accurately, but I did a rough version of everything else so you can get an idea of the colours and the finished image. I didn't trace the text, however, as I didn't think a trace would look good. If someone could help with this I'd appreciate this. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:I had to blow this up, it's so nice! You have a great eye for detail! It's great! Maybe some of those that helped with the language requests on the Laotian Scout emblem can be persuaded to help with the text? Chris 20:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for that! I'll start on detailing the areas at the sides (I think it's Maize?) tomorrow. If someone could create an SVG similar to this one made for the Burma Scouting request it would help a lot.--Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 22:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:::The article about the symbol states that the crop depicted is ears of ripe rice. Valentinian T / C 23:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've added the ears of rice, and most of the rest of the stuff that I did roughly. Any comments? I had some difficulty making out the smaller details. The next thing to do will be changing the trees on the right to the design on the b/w version (rather than that of the PNG above). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC). Also, some of the parts of the rice may need tweaking. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

::I went ahead and refined it some more. I did the trees properly, and added the text, but I'm not sure if it looks the part. Any Thoughts? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Very nice! Can the text be thickened at all? Chris 21:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Very good job. Agree with Chris that the lettering could need some thickening. Btw, the fair use image shows a multicoloured tree. Not sure what type it is though. Valentinian T / C 21:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It's on my to-do list! --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:ps-once you get the text nailed, can you also add it to the Commons image :Image:Laos coa.png, as the same text is supposed to be on there, and will then make it a Wikipedia image and not a copyrighted version. Chris 04:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

::Here's some Thickened Text, and a Multi-coloured tree. If I have chance I'll try to add the text to the png image but I'm going on holiday tomorrow and I'm a little bit busy, so I probably won't have time. If the text needs more thickening, or something else needs changing, I'd request that someone else modifies the image. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 12:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

::I'm back! However, I'm not sure adding the text from the SVG to The vector-images.com PNG would be okay as far as licenses are concerned, and commons:Template_talk:Vector-Images.com has only confused me. I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that modifying :Image:Laos coa.png be ok. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately, the images from Vector-images have become something of a problem. As I understand the situation: a representative for this company has accepted that Wikipedia and others use and modify their raster images as long as we don't do the same with the company's own vector images, so the raster images are freebie images but the company's own vector images aren't. So the problem isn't the company in Russia - as long as you base your work on a raster image, you're in the clear. The remaining problem is determining the copyright status of an official insignia of Laos, as it is in the country itself, and finding a copy of the Laotian copyright law (if such a law actually exists) is rather difficult. Laos is not a member of the Berne convention and the only small pieces of information I can dig up seem to suggest that copyright protection in Laos is very weak; no law as such seems to exist, only a ministerial decree from 1995 (possibly the one about trademarks?). [http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2007/2007SPEC301LAOS.pdf]. The trademark decreee is no help, although § 12 specifies that a trademark cannot be registered if it contains a flag, coat of arms or similar.[http://www.stea.la.wipo.net/law/index.html]. In any case, a thorough description of the insignia is specified in the Laotian constitution § 90 [http://www.bkklaoembassy.com/Lao%20laws/Constitution.pdf] so this description must be PD like any other law I can think of. Respecting copyright and all that, I think we're in the clear here, e.g. Heather Meeker has described Laos as a country with no copyright law at all.[http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/50421.html] Valentinian T / C 20:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's fantastic research, that really helps a lot! I agree, the image looks like a PD image, but which image tag do you think would be best? I looked in WP:ICT for PD tags, but I couldn't find a specific tag that would be appropriate, apart from {{Tl|PD-because}}. I checked :Image:Flag of Laos.svg, which is tagged with {{Tl|Insignia}} and {{{Tl|PD-Self}}. DO you think the the same should be done for the coat-of-arms, or should a new tag be made (for Laos COA and flags)?

On another note, on one of the links Valentinian had a link to the font for the Laos script. I'll use this to generate the text instead of just tracing it as soon as I can. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:I would suggest going with the same solution as used on the flag. Normally, I don't like it, but it seems appropriate here. I like the idea about creating a {{tl|PD-Laos-exempt}} template, but we should wait until we've analysed the situation more thoroughly. Just in case anybody wondered what applies to the seal of Astana (also on this page), that one is covered by :commons:template:PD-KZ-exempt, and I've compiled a list of mostly East European countries where I've checked if official heraldry is PD or not, see: User:Valentinian/Heraldry. Valentinian T / C 09:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

::Update: Laos indeed has no copyright law at the moment, but it is expected to introduce an intellectual property decree in the future.[http://www.iipi.org/reports/ASEAN%20Report%20final%2011-Jul-07-Letter.pdf] (page 39 in the original, page 41 in the file). The relevant text has apparently been drafted, but not yet signed into law. We should probably wait with a template until the new law becomes publicised. Valentinian T / C 09:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:I uploaded with licenses as per the flag. Text is in the Laos Script font, so it looks better than the simple tracing of the text. Is it okay? Also, thanks very much for all the help with he licensing, Valentinian, it's really helped. User:Valentinian/Heraldry looks like it'll be really useful too. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 14:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

::I finally got round to adding the text to :Image:Laos_coa.png, but I haven't uploaded yet, as I'm not sure the result is any good (I'm not so good with raster graphics, and the image is quite small). You can see the image [http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/DTRave/Laos_coa.png?t=1186562082 here], and if it's any good then it can be uploaded. If not, then maybe some GIMP/Photoshop expert can help. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

::Image uploaded to Commons, and replaced in article. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Dave, they're both great, thank you! This one is done! I notice Coat of arms of Myanmar has been deleted from Commons, maybe that one should be tackled? Chris 19:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== Astana {{did}}==

Image:Old coat of arms of Astana 2.jpg

Image:Flag of Astana.png|This flag image should be recreated using vector graphics as an SVG file

Image:Seal of Astana.svg

Image:Flag of Astana.svg

Article(s): Astana

Request: As the new capital of a large post-Soviet republic, this article should have a better coat of arms than one cropped from one of my photos. Help? Chris 19:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Darn... this one looks fun. I will be on vacation though so I can't promise anything--Cronholm144 19:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

:If anyone does it, :Image:Flag of Astana.png would be easy as it's just the CoA on a colored field. 68.39.174.238 01:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

::Cool, that wasn't around when I uploaded mine. That also will help, plus the large version of mine. Chris 01:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Chris, here is a rough start. More to come, just wanted to get the upload done. --Cronholm144 12:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:Great! Now just the arms without the blue field? :) Chris 02:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

::That won't take long at all, but I need to adjust the symbol on the top and figure out how to set the mediawiki rendering engine on fire so that it will never trouble us again (Text won't render, I might end up drawing the letters from scratch).--Cronholm144 21:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Is that text-on-path? The easiest way to get round that is to convert the text to a path, that should render. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 22:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks DTR! Comments on current revision?—Cronholm144 17:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:Very good, I say time to retire my old photo! Chris 19:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If your okay with it so am I.—Cronholm144 19:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== SVGification and correction{{did}} ==

Image:2010 Gubernatorial Election Map.png

Image:2010 Gubernatorial Election Map.svg

Articles: United States gubernatorial elections, 2010

Request: 1st, to SVGify, if possible. Second, the following changes:

  • Alabama should be light red,
  • Maine should be light blue, 68.39.174.238 19:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion:Why do you always misspell opinion(I normally wouldn't ask but this is the 5th time)? Anyway, we already have a US map svg so this is really just a colouring project.--Cronholm144 19:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

::Oops, I forgot about that (The extant SVG map), despite the fact that I've seen it in use before. 68.39.174.238 21:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Done—Cronholm144 17:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:Cronholm, you do some really nice crisp work with maps, may I put forward others in need of help? Chris 19:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Of course...but all I did was click and fill. I find that I am pretty good with maps but I find them tedious, so one at a time would be appreciated. Cheers—Cronholm144 19:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} Ju-ju house

Image:Ju-ju_house.png

Article(s):Juju

Request: I'd like some opinions on this image. It's not bad as an engraving, but I'm worried it may not accurately reflect reality, since the accompanying text is very sensational (as noted on the image description page). Can you have a look and give your opinions? If it is encyclopædic, it could use straightening. -- Adam Cuerden talk 21:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

  • Rotated & cropped. This is an interesting historic artifact, but I doubt that it accurately depicts anything other than antiquated cultural bias. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 22:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:That article could use some Wikifying. It needs a standard intro section, and the two sections don't seem to have much to do with each other... vlad§inger tlk 23:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

::Aye, but, well, to be honest, I added the image because I had it, not because I really know much about the subject. That's why I'm holding off on closing this - in case this image is horribly inappropriate, I want to know. Adam Cuerden talk 23:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, it's been a few days. I've asked on Wikiproject Africa... I suppose might as well archive this. Adam Cuerden talk 21:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== {{did}} Ages Ago ==

Image:Ages_Ago.png|Tilt corrected, wrinkle removed as well as I could, white lines retouched away

Article(s): Ages Ago, Royal Gallery of Illustration, Frederic Clay, potential use in various others

Request: Can you correct the tilt, and, if possible, remove that ugly wrinkle near the top of it? There's a couple other minor printing errors, like the white line below Cherry Maybud's dress, or the one through Lady Maud's arm (the lady on the far right) but they don't matter so much. If you don't mind, I'll also send the corrected version over to the [http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/ Gilbert and Sullivan Archive]-- Adam Cuerden talk 21:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Done. This actually turned out better than I'd hoped. I thought the wrinkle was going to be just about impossible to deal with using the software I had, given the nonlinear distortion of the part above and to the left of it, but then I got the idea of cutting the image into two pieces along the wrinkle, with some overlap to the bottom left of it, and stitching those back together in hugin with barrel distortion correction applied to the upper part. That was an ugly hack, but it seems to have worked. I had to play with resynthesizer quite a bit to correct the resulting gaps along the wrinkle line, so I went ahead and corrected some of those white lines too. I could've perhaps done even more retouching, but I didn't want to alter the original too much. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::That's fantastic! Thanks! Adam Cuerden talk 01:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Sinhala letters

Image:Sinhala-hal-kiriima.png

Image:Sinhala-u-ligatures.png

Image:Hal-lu.pdf|

Articles: Sinhala alphabet

Request: The red parts mark the diacritics, the black parts are the 'main' letter (lu and luu are wholly red, that's OK and intended). I converted the original *ps to *png to colorize, but the edges are now smudgy. So the request is to produce a file with neat edges and colorized as indicated. I can also provide the *ps, but wp does not allow the upload, so I converted them to *pdf. The pdf files contains material for both images. Other formats like svg would also be fine.

Jasy jatere 20:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphist's Opinion:

Conversion of PDF to SVG isn't hard, but the PC I'm on at the moment doesn't have the right software. I'll do it probably tomorrow unless someone beats me to it. Time3000 11:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

: no problem, take your time. Thank you Jasy jatere 12:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

::Comment: Would it be possible to have an illustration of the whole alphabet? The article as much as admits that support for the alphabet is very patchy, but uses only unicode to show the letters.... Adam Cuerden talk 13:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== {{did}} Image:Como_Conservatory_Center_Garden.JPG ==

Image:Como_Conservatory_Center_Garden.JPG

Image:Como_Conservatory_Center_Garden_denoised.jpg|denoised, not blurred

Image:Como_Conservatory_Center_Garden_denoised_blurred.jpg|denoised, blurred

Article(s): Harriet Whitney Frishmuth

Request: Is it possible to bring out the statue in the center? Right now it kind of blends in with the background, and I would like it if the statue popped out a bit more. -- Natalie 23:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Okay i'll see what I can do > Rugby471 talk 06:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:This okay ? > Rugby471 talk 07:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

::Could you leave the stone fountain part sharp? Just blur the background, otherwise the focus seems quite unnatural, in my opinion. vlad§inger tlk 16:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't sure whether I should or shouldn't in the first place. I've uploaded it with the fountain left sharp. > Rugby471 talk 17:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:I think that's better. What does Natalie think? vlad§inger tlk 14:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

::P.S. There should also be some sort of note on the image page saying that it has been through significant digital modification.

:::That looks a lot better. Thanks graphicists! Natalie 21:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

This is pretty good, but I'd like to try and see if I can't make it just a little bit better: the sharp areas could use some denoising, and the borders of the blurred area don't quite match those of the statue. Let's not archive this just yet. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hmm. Any way to remove the chromatic distortion on the statue? Adam Cuerden talk 03:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::I've uploaded a denoised, non-blurred version of the photo to Commons. Still working on a denoised version with a blurred background (tracing the outline perfectly is hard, particularly in a few places where it's actually hard to tell where the statue ends and the background begins). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:::...and it's done! All I can say is, never again! Having proven myself that I can indeed do this, I think I'll stick to the lower-hanging fruit from now on. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

== {{did}} Darkness / Brightness of a Building==

Image:Dominic&Sixtus.jpg

Image:Dominic-and-Sixtus.jpg|VegitaU's attempt

Image:Dominic&Sixtus (edit).jpg|Lycaons's 5 €-cent

Image:Chapel of Saints Dominic and Sixtus.jpg|Time3000's attempt

Article(s):

Request:

  • Please optimize the darkness, esp. at the stairs.
  • Could there some other work be done like the perspective and the centering? -- 88.64.73.240 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I'll get right to it. -- VegitaU 20:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:Finished. The main problem for this picture is that it is not centered relative to the staircase against the building.

::Nice, looks a lot better THANX 84.56.41.66 22:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm. Sky looks a bit washed out, though. Is there any way to restore it without artefacts? Adam Cuerden talk 06:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

:I did another attempt. Lycaon 08:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::IMO, Lycaon's version is slightly over-bright, so I've done yet another version. I've also corrected the vertical perspective a bit, but there isn't much that can be done about the centring - the photo wasn't taken directly head-on, so there's no way of correcting that. BTW, I've moved all the images to the gallery as the section was getting a bit long. Time3000 14:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Why's there a pink blotch in the sky? Adam Cuerden talk 05:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not entirely certain to be honest, but I was doing some fairly drastic curve adjustment at high values (doubling the line back on itself, etc.) so presumably the red channel was low enough to get a boost but the green and blue were high enough to be reduced. I was using the Gimp though, which is supposed to apply it to luminosity, so it's probably a bug. Anyway, I've redone it without the pink sky. Time3000 12:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


=={{did}}Chinese language tree ==

Image:Chinese language tree.png

Image:Mandarin sub-dialects.png

Image:Origin of Chinese Languages.svg |Final?

Image:Mandarin Sub-Dialects.svg| Final?

Article(s): Mandarin (linguistics), Northeastern Mandarin

Request: SVG plz, sans ugly colors ˉˉanetode╦╩ 18:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

:I'm going to make an attempt at the first image. vlad§inger tlk 22:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, here's a first b&w draft over at Commons for the first image.

Please check for accuracy, and give me some input on design.

After that, I'll make some aesthetic improvements.

vlad§inger tlk 23:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

::Suggestions on how to approach the second image would also be appreciated. vlad§inger tlk 23:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Isn't it just the top left-corner of the first image? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 14:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Shall I just copy the text verbatim then? And what do you think of my effort so far? vlad§inger tlk 15:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::Also, is the hierarchy like this?

class="wikitable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto"

|colspan="3"|Northern (Mandarin) = Language

Jin = Dialect

|Bei = Dialect

|Dungan = Dialect

|Lots of subdialects

|

According to Mandarin dialects there are eight (nine if one includes Jin, largely considered to be a language equal to Mandarin) dialects of Mandarin. vlad§inger tlk 15:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I would make a seperate SVG, as the first image is a comparison of languages, whereas the second is a comparison of dialects. I think the SVG might be better if you spread out some of the information, it looks a bit cramped to me. BTW, your heirachy look right to me. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:Bigger image to make it less cramped? Okay... vlad§inger tlk 16:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Argh! Why is Jin on there twice? vlad§inger tlk 16:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Label it as Jin (dialect)? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

...I would love an expert on this to review the information once this is done. :P vlad§inger tlk 16:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Draft 2 is up vlad§inger tlk 17:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Image 2 is up. vlad§inger tlk 17:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I worry that these image is quite inaccurate, and far too simplified. The subject itself is under heavy dispute, anyway. Look at the talk page of the first image. There are issues raised that have not been resolved. vlad§inger tlk 17:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice job on the images so far, Vladsinger! The hierarchy is very complex and subject to some dispute, that's why I thought that a more utilitarian and flexible format like SVG should be used to present such density of information. I'm no expert on Mandarin dialects, but as long as the layout is consistent with the original image, there will be a good basis for addressing future concerns, such as the ones brought up at the talk page. The layout of the first image should remain unobtrusive, all the information should be preserved with minimal stylistic addition. The color scheme does play a small role, so perhaps you should change the connecting lines to reflect that. The second image in particular appears to be an improvement, it is now legible and focuses entirely on offshoots of Mandarin. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 19:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I was going to add color after the issues were cleared up. Thank you. vlad§inger tlk 14:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

::How are these for final images? vlad§inger tlk 16:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

:::One small thing, the second image says "Northeastern" instead of "Northern" Mandarin. Otherwise, it looks clean and functional - a marked improvement. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::Since that was fixed, and nothing else was raised, I'm marking this {{done}} and replacing in articles. vlad§inger tlk 19:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

=={{did}} Tilt, again==

Image:The_Princess_-_W._S._Gilbert.png|Fixed!

Articles: The Princess (play), Princess Ida, etc.

Request: I know, it's stupid, but I don't have any image editing software but M.S.Paint (still, I think I did pretty well with my retouching work). Could you adjust the tilt on this? Adam Cuerden talk 02:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:The GIMP is free image-editing software, if you're interested. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::Arr, I should give that another try. I wasn't able to get it set up the first time I tried it for some reason, and never got around to another try on the new computer. Adam Cuerden talk 08:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:::If you use Windows, just be sure to install the GTK library before installing the actual programme. You can find both on http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html Valentinian T / C 09:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Right. GIMP is new and scary, but I can at least figure out the rotation tool. Think I've got it. In any case, that was embarrassing: I spent about 6 hours fixing all the numerous printing errors - and there were tons - and then couldn't correct the tilt, probably the easiest part. Adam Cuerden talk 10:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::If you're installing GIMP, consider downloading the [http://logarithmic.net/pfh/resynthesizer Resynthesizer plugin] too. It's what I usually use to clean up flaws in images. It does take some practice (the "smart remove selection" tool works sometimes, but often you need to pick the texture source manually and tweak the matching radius and thoroughness for best results), and it won't replace the good ol' clone tool in every case, but when it works the results can be well worth it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

*sigh*, I just noticed that Gimp's de-tilt added loads and loads of artefacts - you can easily make out where it was shifted. Can someone have another go with a different program? Adam Cuerden talk 23:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:If anybody knows a good solution to this one, I'm all ears. I've stopped rotating images unless the the angle in question is a multiple of 90 degrees. See e.g. the edit history of :image:Christian den Førstes sekret 1457-1460.png and :image:Christian den Førstes sekret 1449.png. Any tips would be great. Valentinian T / C 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::I had a look at the JPG article, which says that there is somthing called libjpeg which is supposed to 'losslessly' rotate jpegs. Migh be useful. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Alas, the lossless JPEG rotation only works for 90° angles as well. It is useful when you need that particular feature, though. For general rotation, as well as other related things such as perspective correction, I've found hugin (which is a front-end to panotools) to be useful; there's no way to rotate a raster image by an arbitrary amount without some artifacts, but hugin seems to produce results that are about as good as they get. (BTW, did you remember to convert the image to grayscale before rotating it in the GIMP? If not, that may be the reason for some of the artifacts, since I don't think GIMP is smart enough to interpolate colors in an indexed image.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:: To rotate by (a multiple of) 90° we need only shuffle pixels. To rotate by other angles we must resample. In particular, we must create values between those of the original pixels. It's easy to do this badly; and even when it's done well, there may be visible artifacts. Suppose, for example, we begin with a 4×4 image with a centered check pattern:

:::

cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="background-color:#fec200;width:9em;height:9em"
    
 style="background-color:#0081cd" |    
  style="background-color:#0081cd" |   
    

:: What can we possibly expect if we rotate by 45°? The pure blue must disappear, along with some of the pure yellow. --KSmrqT 10:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:::However, this doesn't seem to be resampling: You can see very noticable bands where it's been abruptly shifted a pixel.

Okay, I've got it: I stretched the image up by a factor of 500% (or 2500% if you'd rather go by area), THEN applied the tilt, then I could reshrink it. This protects the lines, but takes bloody ages. Adam Cuerden talk 03:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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== {{did}} Antelope Canyon too noisy ==

Image:USA Antelope-Canyon.jpg

Image:USA Antelope-Canyon 2.jpg |With S&P filter

Articles: Antelope Canyon,Featured pictures candidates

Request: The picture is a bit too noisy. If possible, you should reduce the noise. -- Lucas Löffler 10:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

:Why does nobody do it? Isn´t it possible? --Lucas Löffler 13:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

::Whoa, give people chance. Someone will respond, just have patience. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

I've applied a salt and pepper filter to it, which has worked well; there's still some noise, but I can't get rid of that without introducing faceting. Time3000 17:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== {{did}}Yue Fei image ==

Image:Four Generals of Song.jpg

Article(s): Yue Fei , Zhou Tong (archer) , Northern Praying Mantis (martial art) , Han Shizhong , Chinese painting

Request: Can someone please make the painting look crisper. It is just too faded and choppy looking -- Ghostexorcist 08:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: That's an eight hundred year-old painting, of course it looks faded. To edit that, I'd be altering what the artist's intentions were for the painting. I'm not a professional restorer and, if I were, I'd have to work on the painting itself, not a copy of it. -- VegitaU 17:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, but it can at least be smoothed out and the black lines can be sharpened. I'm not asking for someone to repaint the entire thing from scratch. A note can be left on the image's page stating that it has been enhanced. --Ghostexorcist 17:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I've made it less orange, increased the contrast and uploaded it to the commons - see commons:Image:Four_Generals_of_Song.jpg. Time3000 13:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== {{did}} A bad scan ==

Image:PM1+1=2lemma.jpg|

Image:Principia Mathematica theorem 54-43.png|better scan, from [http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=umhistmath&cc=umhistmath&idno=aat3201.0001.001&q1=Principia+Mathematica&frm=frameset&view=pdf&seq=401 here]

Articles: Principia Mathematica

Request: That this awful scan be redone, maybe as an SVG? Note that the scanned image should probably be kept as a source or something, but not displayed on the page as it looks horrible. (Note that the book was published in 1912 US ... PD-US. 68.39.174.238 22:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion:

:Couldn't it be done just using the pre-extant mathematics displays and a side-box? Adam Cuerden talk 23:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Something like...

54-43. \vdash:. \alpha, \beta, \epsilon 1.

etc. Adam Cuerden talk 00:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:I think more like \mathbf{*54\!\cdot\!43.} \ \vdash :\!.\ \alpha, \beta \in 1. But I think the point is more showing an example of what the contents of the book looks like than actually displaying that particular fragmentary lemma. Alas, the only good way I can think of to accomplish that would be to get a better scan. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::Aye, sorry, I've never used LaTex before, and it's hard to read the page at all. But I'm not sure what we can do, if just reproducing the lemma is insufficient. Adam Cuerden talk 02:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I tried to check if my university library might have the book. It seems they do have several copies of the second edition, but their web catalog crashes every time I try to view the details (such as where they're kept). Still, it's at least possible that I might be able to obtain a new scan sometime next week. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Hmm. I'll have a poke tomorrow, if I head into the library again. Adam Cuerden talk 03:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::I hadn't even thought of that... Alright. 68.39.174.238 18:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Actually, there's a very good scan of the lemma in question [http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=umhistmath&cc=umhistmath&idno=aat3201.0001.001&q1=Principia+Mathematica&frm=frameset&view=pdf&seq=401 here], though for some reason I can't extract it. Anyway, it'll need tilt correction and I can't do that. Adam Cuerden talk 16:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Thanks, nice find! I've extracted a high-resolution PNG version, with tilt correction, from that page. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ps. Getting the scanned image out of the PDF file was indeed somewhat difficult, since couldn't find a program that could do it. My eventual solution was to convert the PDF to PostScript, extract the first page only (with [http://gershwin.ens.fr/vdaniel/Doc-Locale/Outils-Gnu-Linux/PsUtils/ psutils]) and to add the following line to the PostScript code before %%EndPageSetup:

/image {(P4 ) print 4 index = 3 index = {dup 1024 string readstring exch print not {exit} if} loop 5 {pop} repeat} bind def

This very ugly kluge will, assuming the image is a 2-color bitmap and supplied as a file object, print it out as a valid PBM file instead of rendering it when run through a postscript renderer like gs -q -dNODISPLAY - output.pbm. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

{{did}} Boy Scouts of America regional map

Image:RegionMap copy.jpg|original copyvio image

Image:BlankMap-USA-states.PNG|use this one as base

Image:Map of USA.png|or this one

Image:Blank US Map (states only).svg|SVG Base

Article(s): Boy Scouts of America

Request: This a map for the Boy Scouts of America page, which has been brought to my attention as a copyvio, a situation I never want. The map I originally uploaded (Image:RegionMap copy.jpg) was deemed unsuitable. I was planning to leave you guys alone for a while ;), but this is important. Could you make a version appropriate for Wikipedia, perhaps lighten the colors to pastel, or change them for legibility? Thanks, Chris 12:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Please hold off on correcting this image. I have already tagged for deletion, as I am the creator of this work (which my identifing info and copyright notice was edited out, and was converted from gif to jpg). When the smoke clears from all this, I may create a new image specifically for that article. For right now, please ignore the request. Robhmac 14:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::withdraw request at request of Robhmac. Chris 15:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:::The information in the image is not subject to copyright since it is a simple compilation of public facts, so there shouldn't be any issue with recreating it from a free base map. Mike Dillon 15:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

  • I'll get to work on this if I have time. Anyone is free to beat me to it, shouldn't take long if using that SVG base. --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 14:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Looks like I'm too slow, the older version looks deleted. Does anyone know which states go in which regions? --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 16:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • http://www.nerbsa.org/ North East Region
  • http://srbsa.org/ Southern Region
  • I couldn't find sites for the Western Region and Central Region :( Chris 21:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:According to http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Scouting/Organizations/Boy_Scouts_of_America/Councils/desc.html

Councils will be listed by Region according to the BSA division of 1992.

Central Region

The BSA Central Region covers all or parts of the following US States: IA IL IN KS MI MN MO NE ND OH SD VA WI WV

Northeast Region

The BSA Northeast Region covers all or parts of the following US States: CT DC DE MA MD ME NH NJ NY PA RI VA VT and Puerto Rico, Germany, and the Virgin Islands.

Southern Region

The BSA Southern Region covers all or parts of the following US States: AL AR FL GA IL KY LA MS NC OK SC TN TX VA

Western Region

The BSA Western Region covers all or parts of the following US States: AK AZ CA CO HI ID MT NE NM NV OR SD TX UT WA WY and Japan and Guam.

Note, some of those on the borders are split between two regions. Chris 01:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::The deleted image appears similar to the map at http://www.oasections.com/ Chris 02:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:If they are split, someone will need an accurate source to create this map. Otherwise, it's just another piece of original research. Mike Dillon 02:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The splitting is what worries me here. Is there no free version available? --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 17:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

All of Montana lies within Western Region, except for Daniels and Sheridan counties, as part of Central Region.

All of South Dakota lies within Central Region, except for Harding, Butte, Lawrence, Pennington, Custer, Fall River, Meade, Shannon, Haakon, Jackson and Bennett counties, as part of Western Region.

All of Nebraska lies within Central Region, except for Sioux, Scotts Bluff, Banner, Kimball, Cheyenne, Dawes, Box Butte, Morrill, Cheyenne, Sheridan, Garden, Deuel and Grant counties, as part of Western Region.

All of Texas lies within Southern Region, except for El Paso, Hudspeth and Parmer counties, as part of Western Region.

All of Indiana lies within Central Region, except for Jefferson, Clark, Scott, Floyd and Washington counties, as part of Southern Region.

All of Kentucky lies within Southern Region, except for Kenton, Pendleton, Campbell, Bracken, Mason, Robertson, Lewis and Greenup counties, as part of Central Region.

All of Virginia lies within Southern Region, except for Tazewell, Bland and Giles counties, as part of Central Region, and Loudoun, Fairfax, Stafford, Prince William, King George, Westmoreland and Northumberland counties, as part of Northeast Region.

All of West Virginia lies within Central Region, except for Pendleton County, as part of Southern Region, and Grant, Mineral, Hardy, Hampshire, Morgan, Berkeley and Jefferson counties, as part of Northeast Region.

All of Maryland lies within Northeast Region, except for Frederick County, as part of Southern Region.

:Can you identify the source for this information that can be cited when constucting the image? It doesn't have to be an online source necessarily, it just needs to be a reliable published source. Mike Dillon 01:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

::What is going on with this image?—Cronholm144 17:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I was looking for my source material for Mike, can't find it. I had written it all down, but... Chris 18:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Clinton approval rating

Image:Clinton approval rating.png

Article(s):Bill Clinton

Request: In line with discussion at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bill Clinton it would be helpful to get the image recreated as an SVG file. I would greatly appreciate anyone with the skills to please convert it. Thank you! LordHarris 22:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Wow, boring request(no offense but dry graphs are no fun)...I will take this one if no one steps up for a day or so...--Cronholm144 01:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! Sorry its boring! LordHarris 13:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

::Just so you know, Wikipedia:Collaboration_to_convert_graphs_to_SVG might be useful. They ask that Graph SVGs are created in a text editor.

Umm... are we still needed?—Cronholm144 17:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)