Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2015 November 26#File:NYC Chinatown Garbage.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Explicit}} AnomieBOT⚡ 08:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

::File:Walter Balderson with Emmy Award.gif ([{{fullurl:File:Walter Balderson with Emmy Award.gif|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3APossibly+unfree+files%2F2015+November+26%23File%3AWalter+Balderson+with+Emmy+Award.gif%5D%5D}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:Walter Balderson with Emmy Award.gif|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AWalter+Balderson+with+Emmy+Award.gif}} logs]).

• Possible invalid OTRS permission, per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:OTRS_noticeboard&oldid=692531351#File:Walter_Balderson_with_Emmy_Award.gif this note] at WP:OTRS/N. Kelly ^hi! 18:26, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

::I do not have OTRS access - what is wrong with it?  JGHowes  ^talk 18:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

:::Basically what the OTRS member is saying is that Balderson is unlikely to have taken the picture as he's depicted in it. Kelly ^hi! 19:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

::::The picture was taken by a family member in Walter Balderson's living room for the latter's own blog http://www.walterbalderson.com/, as such he's the owner/copyright holder. The photographer is not necessarily the copyright holder, you know. He emailed permission to me which I forwarded to OTRS when I was creating the article about him. Walter Balderson is my uncle and lives 5 minutes away from me, so if you insist I'll simply take another picture with my camera.  JGHowes  ^talk 20:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

:::::Is it a photo of a television broadcast or recording? Kelly ^hi! 20:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::Huh? As I said (above), it's just a family photo taken at home, not a broadcast or recording. I grabbed it from his blog (with his permission to OTRS).  JGHowes  ^talk 20:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::* If the photograph was created by one of Walter Balderson's relatives, then the copyright holder would appear to be Walter Balderson's relative. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

:::::::* Keep Kelly, you may be asking if the image is from a recording or broadcast because of its poor quality. I agree that it's a terrible quality image, but if OTRS has established the authorship and release, then it should be kept. But hopefully updated with a better quality image as soon as possible. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 08:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

::::::::* That was the original question, but the problem now is that OTRS says the permission is possibly invalid. Kelly ^hi! 08:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

:I'm the OTRS agent in question. The issue is indeed that the person depicted is the putative licensor - it is unnervingly common for people to think that "owning" a copy of a photo of themselves somehow makes them the copyright holder. Unfortunately, the original OTRS agent did not ask for clarification regarding how the copyright was transferred to the person depicted. I'm not sure that was standard practice in 2008, but it is now. Somewhat tangentially, these days we would also usually ask for a direct email from the copyright holder, rather than relying on a forwarded one. I have just requested clarification, hopefully that will resolve the issue. Storkk (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

::Unfortunately the request for clarification/confirmation bounced. Storkk (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. — ξ^xplicit 06:28, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

::File:WellsSpicer.JPG ([{{fullurl:File:WellsSpicer.JPG|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3APossibly+unfree+files%2F2015+November+26%23File%3AWellsSpicer.JPG%5D%5D}} delete] | talk | [{{fullurl:File:WellsSpicer.JPG|action=history}} history] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AWellsSpicer.JPG}} logs]).

• Insufficient information to verify license. Given source says nothing about author/date/place of first publication. Kelly ^hi! 18:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

:* There are any number of Old West photographs for whom the original photographer and source is unknown, and the date or original publication likely precedes the person's death prior to 1923, e.g., [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jesse_James.jpg Jesse James], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Luke_Short.jpg Luke Short], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virgil_Earp.jpg Virgil Earp], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Billy-Claiborne.jpg Billy Claiborne], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_L._Schieffelin.jpg Edward Schieffelin], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Johnny-behan-1871.jpg Johnny Behan], and others. As to the date of first publication, Wells Spicer died in 1885, so it's safe to assume that it was published well before 1923. There is no reason to single this image out from all others with similar origins and publication conditions. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 07:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep per btphelps  JGHowes  ^talk 20:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
• Keep per btphelps The photo is cropped from the group photo of John D. Lee and his second legal defense team made in 1875 just before the last trial then, and it is impossible to believe it was not published at that time. SBHarris 00:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Explicit}} AnomieBOT⚡ 08:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Unclear copyright status - claimed as "own work" but permission says "Allen Adams". Not sure if the uploader is Allen Adams. Kelly ^hi! 19:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|BethNaught}} AnomieBOT⚡ 12:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• From the quoted permission statement, it's unclear whether derivative works/commercial use are allowed. Kelly ^hi! 20:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|BethNaught}} AnomieBOT⚡ 12:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Insufficent information given to verify copyright status. Kelly ^hi! 20:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|BethNaught}} AnomieBOT⚡ 12:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Insufficient information given to verify copyright status. Kelly ^hi! 20:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|BethNaught}} AnomieBOT⚡ 12:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Insufficient information given to verify copyright status. Kelly ^hi! 20:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice to undeletion if OTRS confirmation is provided. BethNaught (talk) 11:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Description page doesn't state who took the photo. Kelly ^hi! 20:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello there. Jason Ankers took the photo and I have full permission to use it. I am the subject of the photo.

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanhammeruk (talk • contribs)

"Full permission"? How does he allow it to be used? Hop on Bananas (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

• Delete OTRS needed from Jason Ankers. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Explicit}} AnomieBOT⚡ 08:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Unclear whether uploader is copyright holder. Kelly ^hi! 20:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by {{admin|Explicit}} AnomieBOT⚡ 08:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Unclear if uploader is copyright holder of this logo. Kelly ^hi! 22:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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• Unclear whether the uploader is the copyright holder of these files. Kelly ^hi! 22:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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