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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Wikipedia:Out of date }} → Template:Out of date (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Out of date|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Wikipedia:Out of date|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Cross-namespace redirect with no obvious reason to exist. Magioladitis (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• 'Delete' this postdates the period that templates were placed in projectnamespace in lieu of its own. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 06:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Andy Horning }} → Indiana gubernatorial election, 2008 (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Andy Horning|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Andy Horning|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 
• {{noredirect|1 = Andrew Horning }} → Indiana gubernatorial election, 2008 (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Andrew Horning|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Andrew Horning|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Andrew (Andy) Horning is almost a Libertarian perennial candidate for a number of state and local offices in Indiana. It's not clear that his name(s) should redirect to this particular election. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Off-white →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 03:41, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Off white (colors) }} → Template:Shades of white (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Off white (colors)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Off white (colors)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Delete – "Off white" is not a Wikipedia term and so should not be redirected out of main namespace. McLerristarr | Mclay1 14:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To white, or possibly to a more specific shade, although I'd leave that to the judgement of editors more educated on the topic.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Why? There's nothing at Off white so it seems a bit odd keeping this. Mhiji (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep--The term off white is the standard terminology used in interior design and in the formulation of paint colors, as well as in everyday colloquial terminology, to refer to these colors. If people are looking for "off white" colors, the colors on this template are the colors they want to see. So this redirect should be kept and should NOT be deleted. Keraunos (talk) 21:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• But why would anyone looking for information about this search for "Off white (colors)"?! They might search for "Off white" or "Off white colors" but not "Off white (colors)". Mhiji (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

*Delete: Really? We have pages on Old Lace (color), Eggshell (color, Cream (colour), Pearl (color), and Ivory (color), but not Off white? Off white is a perfectly plausible term, and at least as worthy an entry as those -- but it should definitely not link to a template, still less to one that doesn't even mention it. There's no information about off white there! Let's at least leave it a redlink.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• I started a stub at Off-white. Retarget there.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 10:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
• Retarget per Glenfarclas. Mhiji (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Seattle Mariners#Current roster →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 03:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Mariners Roster }} → Template:Seattle Mariners roster (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Mariners Roster|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Mariners Roster|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To Seattle Mariners#Current roster, topical info (indeed, the same info as the template to which in currently points) in the article space.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Sacramento Kings#Current roster →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 03:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Sacramento Kings roster }} → Template:Sacramento Kings roster (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Sacramento Kings roster|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Sacramento Kings roster|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To Sacramento Kings#Current roster, topical info (indeed, the same info as the template to which in currently points) in the article space.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was retarget to San Francisco#Media. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = San francisco radio stations }} → Template:SF TV (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:San francisco radio stations|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=San francisco radio stations|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To San Francisco#Media, section contains some topical information.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep- I live in San Francisco. If I or anyone else wants to find out information about San Francisco radio station, this is a logical redirect that should be kept. Keraunos (talk) 21:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• If you did happen to use it, surely you'd search for "San Francisco radio stations"? Mhiji (talk) 23:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Also, it's not a logical redirect. If you wanted information about San Fransisco TV, you wouldn't search for "San francisco radio stations"! Mhiji (talk) 17:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = S-line/NS Stoptrein left/4000 }} → Template:S-line/NS Stoptrein left/4000 (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:S-line/NS Stoptrein left/4000|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=S-line/NS Stoptrein left/4000|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Delete-Highly unlikely search term.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was retarget to Recording Industry Association of New Zealand#Sales charts. No prejudice against the redirect being re-created as a proper article. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = List of number-one singles in New Zealand }} → Template:RIANZ (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:List of number-one singles in New Zealand|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=List of number-one singles in New Zealand|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To Recording Industry Association of New Zealand#Sales charts. Not a great target, but not horrible, and the best we have.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Why, there's not a list there? We don't have a list of number-one singles in New Zealand, so it seems odd to keep it - would be better as a red link to encourage editors to create the article. Mhiji (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Death. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Stages of death }} → Template:Signs of death (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Stages of death|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Stages of death|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Retarget to Death (Signs of death redirects there). Mhiji (talk) 11:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was speedy delete under WP:R3. Airplaneman ✈ 01:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Squash World Number Ones (men) }} → Template:Squash World Number Ones (men) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Squash World Number Ones (men)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Squash World Number Ones (men)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was speedy delete under WP:R3. Airplaneman ✈ 01:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Table of phase transitions }} → Template:Table of phase transitions (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Table of phase transitions|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Table of phase transitions|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Toronto Blue Jays#Current roster →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 03:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Blue Jays Roster }} → Template:Toronto Blue Jays roster (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Blue Jays Roster|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Blue Jays Roster|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Retarget-To Toronto Blue Jays#Current roster, topical info (indeed, the same info as the template to which in currently points) in the article space.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was speedy delete under WP:R3. Airplaneman ✈ 01:22, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Cross names-pace is harmful. Rich Farmbrough, 16:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was keep all and move to article namespace. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-2A6DF) }} → Template:Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-215FF) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-2A6DF)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-2A6DF)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 
• {{noredirect|1 = List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-20FFF) }} → Template:Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-215FF) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-20FFF)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-20FFF)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}})
• {{noredirect|1 = List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 2 (6300-77FF) }} → Template:Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs (6300-77FF) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 2 (6300-77FF)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 2 (6300-77FF)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 
• {{noredirect|1 = List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 4 (8D00-9FFF) }} → Template:Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs (8D00-9FFF) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 4 (8D00-9FFF)|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=List of Unicode characters/CJK Unified Ideographs, part 4 (8D00-9FFF)|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect(s). Mhiji (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC) Refactored by User:Benlisquare at 13:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC): plural added.

• Comment: This page, along with the ones below, were once mainspace articles, before they were moved to template space. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 01:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep the template effectively also functions like a list article. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 08:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• But it's unused - noone would search for "List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension B (20000-2A6DF)"! Mhiji (talk) 10:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• :: Someone here nominating redirects for deletion keeps writing on the fact the searchbox will give a list of partial title matches, so why wouldn't these come up in that instance? Therefore, they can be used. 65.93.12.93 (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Although this might be somewhat not directly related to the RfD issue itself, I was originally unsure as to whether the pages should be considered articles or templates. I was the original author of these "List of CJK Unified Ideographs, Extension XYZ" pages, and originally based on the same format as the "List of CJK Unified Ideographs (XYZ)" pages created 7 or so years earlier by someone else, I had earlier intended the pages to be in article namespace. Then early this year if I recall, an editor brought to the attention as to what namespace is appropriate for the pages, and moved the pages to template namespace. (it was a talk from a long while back, I can't recall the exact details) Can these pages be considered templates? Templates are pages that are intended to be transcluded onto another page (for example, Template:Chinese, Template:Infobox, Template:stub), and these pages don't seem to fit the purpose - all in all, they are simply listing tables. I personally would think that the redirects and pages should switch places themselves, with the pages being in article namespace, unless someone can argue otherwise. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• I agree. Templates are pages which are intended to be transcluded per Help:Template. These aren't, so shouldn't be in template space, so I'd support a move to article space. Although then another issue is whether they should exist at all - are they notable? Maybe move them all to user space? Mhiji (talk) 13:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• In that case, I support a move to article namespace, delete the resulting redirect afterwards. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 14:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oh, I just happened to realise that it is likely for the redirect to be a valid search term. The new Wikipedia search box has an autofill feature - even though someone might not necessarily remember the exact hexadecimal codepoints, by typing in "List of CJK..." in the searchbox, the autofill brings up a series of possible pages. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• keep and overwrite with template move. Rich Farmbrough, 16:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per G6 Mhiji (talk) 23:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirects. Mhiji (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Retarget to Physical fitness. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Fitness and health }} → Portal:Health and fitness (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Fitness and health|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Fitness and health|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Retarget to Physical fitness where fitness is considered as a state of health and well-being.--Lenticel ^(talk) 01:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
• I'd support this. Mhiji (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete encourages psuedo namespace and therefore harmful. Rich Farmbrough, 16:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete encourages psuedo namespace and therefore harmful. Rich Farmbrough, 16:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete encourages pseudo namespace and therefore harmful. Rich Farmbrough, 16:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Request move }} → Wikipedia:Requested moves (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Request move|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Request move|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Well, I've used it. But it can be deleted if you want. McLerristarr | Mclay1 14:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Reliable sources noticeboard }} → Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Reliable sources noticeboard|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Reliable sources noticeboard|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:00, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Language reference desk }} → Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Language reference desk|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Language reference desk|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep: Same rationale as the Humanities redirect, below. Buddy431 (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Buddy431. The desks are active places where new users can get help with their questions. Deleting the redirect serves no purpose other than following a rule, while keeping it provides a welcoming interface for new users. Matt Deres (talk) 03:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Humanities reference desk }} → Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Humanities reference desk|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Humanities reference desk|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - According to http://stats.grok.se it's getting around 50 views a month, sometimes 100. Not a lot of people, but enough in my opinion to justify keeping it, especially as the Reference Desk is often visited by new users unfamiliar with Wikipedia who may not know to type "Wikipedia:" before the link . 82.44.55.25 (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep: cross namespace redirects may be frowned upon (we don't want people reading an article to get lost in the bowels of Wikipedia), but I really don't see how this is going to hurt anyone. If someone searches for "Humanities Reference Desk", they're probably looking for the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. I second that the reference desk is one area of Wikipedia space that's not just geared for regular editors (as opposed to the village pump, where there's generally no reason for a casual reader to go there). Buddy431 (talk) 04:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Buddy431 and my comments above. Matt Deres (talk) 03:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Entertainment reference desk }} → Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Entertainment reference desk|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Entertainment reference desk|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep it. There's nothing else close to Entertainment Reference Desk. Why should the user have to type out Wikipedia: Entertainment Reference Desk. A lot of these seem necessary to keeping things simpler. 134.126.191.109 (talk) 14:16, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep: same reason as Humanities, above. Buddy431 (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Buddy431 and my comments above. Matt Deres (talk) 03:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was retarget to Editing#Business editing. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Paid editing }} → Wikipedia:Paid editing (guideline) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Paid editing|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Paid editing|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Weak Retarget to Editing#Business_editing where employment for editing is slightly mentioned. A hatnote to the WP page could also be added to the article.--Lenticel ^(talk) 07:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• WHS, except slightly stronger. Rich Farmbrough, 16:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:CHINA }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (use of Chinese language) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:CHINA|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:CHINA|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

: keep: I would quibble with the unused on this and other ' MOS:...' redirects. One important use of them is to save typing when using the search box to get to the page, but that won't show up in 'What links here'. Although there is no 'MOS:' namespace I think most editors know it refers to the Manual of Style and subpages, will not be surprised by where this leads and will appreciate the typing it saves. Some such as MOS:NUM apply to many more articles so have been referred to often. This one hasn't but otherwise is just as valid a redirect.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 14:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:: I realise some "MOS:" redirects are useful, but I don't see how this one is. MOS:CHINESE exists as well so that will show up in the search box anyway. The article it redirects to is about the Chinese language, not China. Mhiji (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:Keep: My thoughts exactly, on this and all the similar RfDs. The nominator may have missed the point that such redirects as :MOS:BOLD etc. are not primarily there for people to add to Wiki pages, so much as for them to type into the search box so as to get somewhere faster. Just because :MOS:CHINA does not appear on many users' user pages and, say, :CAT:SD does (as a way of letting them navigate to where they want to go faster), that does not increase or diminish its utility to other editors typing it into the search box. It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 15:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:: Per my above comment, I realise some "MOS:" redirects are useful, such as MOS:NUM and MOS:BOLD, but I don't see how this one is. MOS:CHINESE exists as well so that will show up in the search box anyway. The article it redirects to is about the Chinese language, not China, so how is this redirect useful to anyone? Mhiji (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:::It's about the use of Chinese in articles, and so China related articles. MOS:CHINESE and MOS:CHINA are the same much as WP:RS, WP:IRS, WP:RELY and WP:RELIABLE. Some of those too are less obvious and less used but serve a purpose. I would note also that if you type MOS:CHINA quickly enough or without looking at the search box as you type you never see MOS:CHINESE.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 17:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

::::Really? You must type much faster than me then! Mhiji (talk) 17:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:::::Not that fast, but slow/laggy JavaScript often means my search box doesn't start autocompleting for several seconds, so if I load a page and immediately start typing I might only see what I finally type. Or I might need to look at the keyboard while doing so.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 17:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep "MOS:" pseudo-namespace shortcuts are common on Wikipedia. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 06:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Yes. See WP:RFD#DELETE 6 - 'MOS:' is an explicit exception to cross-namespace redirects.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MoS:TITLE }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MoS:TITLE|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MoS:TITLE|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• I realise that, but we already have MOS:TITLE. What benefit do we have by having this as well? Mhiji (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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• {{noredirect|1 = Mos:title }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Mos:title|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Mos:title|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• I realise that, but we already have MOS:TITLE. What benefit do we have by having this as well? Mhiji (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep There is no reason to delete, see the basic policy at WP:RFD. "consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones." Looking at WP:RFD#DELETE., what category there does it fall under? Why bother with this sort of unnecessary cleanup, when there is so much actually necessary WP:Cleanup to do? DGG ( talk ) 16:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:Bold }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:Bold|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:Bold|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• I realise that, but we already have MOS:BOLD. What benefit do we have by having this as well? Mhiji (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Wikipedia tables }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (tables) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Wikipedia tables|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Wikipedia tables|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

: Mhiji - what are you proposing to change? --Robinson weijman (talk) 19:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::To delete the redirect. Mhiji (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Delete encourages cross namespace redirects. Rich Farmbrough, 16:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:SPELL/IZE }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling)/Words ending with "-ise" or "-ize" (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:SPELL/IZE|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:SPELL/IZE|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Well, it is new and so is the target. It is unlikely that before this anybody new of its existence. I created it as a shortcut to get to the page quicker since it has such a long title. {{Strike|I have no objection its deletion but I certainly wouldn't complain if it was kept either.}} McLerristarr | Mclay1 14:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose – useful for navigation. The top of WP:RFD specifically states (in bold), "Note: Redirects should not be deleted simply because they do not have any incoming links. Please do not list this as a reason to delete a redirect." McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per G7. Mhiji (talk) 16:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MILITARY PEOPLE }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (military history) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MILITARY PEOPLE|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MILITARY PEOPLE|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:Speedy delete (author request). I think this was just a typo, forgetting to add the WP: at the time of creation. I obviously forgot to CSD it myself at the time. MickMacNee (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:WP:MILPEOPLE is what it finally ended up as. MickMacNee (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:PIPING }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:PIPING|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:PIPING|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep "MOS:" pseudo-namespace shortcuts are common on Wikipedia. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 06:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep a standard shortcut used to shorten the page title; for instance, I utilize it (the "MOS" namespace) sometimes when searching for or linking to policies. Airplaneman ✈ 01:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:GTL }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:GTL|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:GTL|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:SCROL }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (accessibility) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:SCROL|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:SCROL|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• But the redirect is unused and not a plausible search term. Also it redirects to a different place from MOS:SCROLL. If this is kept (I can't think of any arguments why it should be) surely it should redirect to the same place as that redirect? Mhiji (talk) 03:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete MOS: may be an exception, but bad MOS: redirects shouldn't get the same lenience as bad article redirects. The external links argument does not apply for one thing. Rich Farmbrough, 16:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  

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:The result of the discussion was Keep Mhiji (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:JPN }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:JPN|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:JPN|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep "MOS:" pseudo-namespace shortcuts are common on Wikipedia. "JPN" is a common abbreviation for Japan. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 06:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Speedy deletion (G7). I probably meant to create WP:MOSCAP. -- Ed (Edgar181) 14:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOSCAP }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOSCAP|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOSCAP|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:HARVARD }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:HARVARD|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:HARVARD|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:MOS }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:MOS|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:MOS|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep "MOS:" pseudo-namespace shortcuts are common. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 08:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• How's "MOS:MOS" helpful though? Anyone looking for the MOS article will surely search for MOS OR MOS:? Mhiji (talk) 10:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• How isn't it useful? MOS is a pseudonamespace marker, therefore to search for the MOS page you need to attach MOS to the pseudonamespace marker, hence becoming MOS:MOS. "MOS:" is a flag indicating an MOS page, "...MOS" is the page in the MOS pages to link to, therefore, for the main page, you would need to do MOS:MOS, otherwise you haven't specified anything. MOS: should also go to the same place, but people would not expect a bare namespace marker to signify anything, since it isn't logical. "MOS" is not a pseudonamespace marker, or attached to a pseudonamespace marker, and can't be used as a shortcut anyways. 65.93.12.93 (talk) 06:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:Quote }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:Quote|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:Quote|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
• I realise that, but we already have MOS:QUOTE. What benefit do we have by having this as well? Mhiji (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was Keep. Mhiji (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = MOS:DOUBLE SPACE }} → Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:MOS:DOUBLE SPACE|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=MOS:DOUBLE SPACE|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep "MOS:" pseudo-namespace shortcuts are common on Wikipedia. 65.93.15.73 (talk) 06:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, as an exception to the rule on cross-namespace redirects as per WP:RFD#DELETE 6.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Main Page/Day after tomorrow }} → Wikipedia:Main Page/Day after tomorrow (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Main Page/Day after tomorrow|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Main Page/Day after tomorrow|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was delete. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Longest articles }} → Wikipedia:Longest Wikipedia Article (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Longest articles|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Longest articles|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. Mhiji (talk) 13:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Also, it links to a soft redirect anyway. Mhiji (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
• (Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but) I'm proposing to delete. Mhiji (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 December 22. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• {{noredirect|1 = Dodge B110 }} → Dodge (links to redirect • [{{fullurl:Dodge B110|action=history}} history] • {{stats.grok.se|1=Dodge B110|year=2010|month=11|text=stats}}) 

I can't find any information on any Dodge called B110. There was a B-series van at one point but these were B-100, B-200, and B-300. --Sable232 (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - Well, this is a former article that was kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dodge B110. Certainly it seems it may have existed, looking [http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&expIds=17050,25657,26486,26490,27213,27951,28066&xhr=t&q=%22Dodge+B110%22&cp=12&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&site=&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22Dodge+B110%22&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5041473e231b710e here]. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:::The only non-trivial mention appears to be in an old version of a Wikipedia article (Volkswagen Type 2) which has since been changed to the correct Dodge A100. The "keep" !votes in that AFD don't seem to have much basis in anything but a poor nomination and "if someone created the article, it must exist." As far as I can tell there never was such a vehicle. --Sable232 (talk) 05:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep neither harmful nor recent - but change to Dodge B Series. Rich Farmbrough, 16:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC).
  
• How is it not harmful? The original article was a hoax. Someone searching for Dodge B-100 in the search box is just going to be confused when "Dodge B110" comes up. --Sable232 (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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