. There's consensus that the abbreviation is commonly used and warrants having a redirect. The nominator's rationale that it is ambiguous doesn't appear to have received support. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 11:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Texas Gov. }} → :Governor of Texas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texas_Gov.&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-03-07&end=2017-04-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Texas_Gov. stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Texas Gov.|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Texas Gov. closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Texas Gov.|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Texas Gov. closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Texas Gov.|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Texas Gov. closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
Ambiguous abbreviation, could also point to Government of Texas. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
:*{{Note2|{{yo|prefix=Note:→|WhisperToMe|p=, your name was invoked.}} }} ---Mr. Guye (talk) 02:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
:::{{re|Mr. Guye}} That's an unnecessary comment as WhisperToMe has already been notified of this discussion, see User talk:WhisperToMe#Texas Gov. listed at Redirects for discussion. -- Tavix (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
::::I created them since many newspapers abbreviate governor as "Gov." Example: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-politics/2017/01/20/decrying-sanctuary-cities-texas-gov-gregabbott-threatens-cut-millions-travis-county - If it's better to make them disambiguation pages, that's fine. It may be good to consult style guides to see if there are particular times to use "Gov."
::::*For example the Associated Press style guide mentions "Gov." as being an abbreviation for governor: "For example, Dr., Gov., Lt. Gov., Rep., the Rev. and Sen. are required before a person’s full name when they occur outside a direct quotation."https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/735/02/
::::WhisperToMe (talk) 06:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
::But honorifics come before a person's name, in English. That would be "Gov. Texas" not "Texas Gov.", just as all the letters come after my name and not before it. I think we need more than that the abbreviation is used, but that generally in print the whole phrase is used, and not, e.g. the red "Gov. Texas". It's usually a bit of WP:PEACOCK to use these honorifcs anyway, Albert Einstein is thus and not all the jots and tittles he no doubt had before and after his name. Si Trew (talk) 12:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
::From the source quoted: "For example, Dr., Gov., Lt. Gov., Rep., the Rev. and Sen. are required before a person’s full name". Before their full name. That does not apply here to Texas, it is neither before, nor Texas' full name (which is irrelevant), nor the Governor of Texas' full name. Irrelevant to here. These honorifics apply to people not their roles, perhaps with the exception of Mr. President. Si Trew (talk) 12:23, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Newspapers have used the format "Texas Gov." for "Texas Governor" and "Oklahoma Gov." for "Oklahoma Governor" - Examples:
:::*[http://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-politics/2017/01/20/decrying-sanctuary-cities-texas-gov-gregabbott-threatens-cut-millions-travis-county Decrying 'sanctuary cities,' Texas Gov. Greg Abbott threatens to cut millions to Travis County]" - The Dallas Morning News
:::*[http://www.4029tv.com/article/oklahoma-gov-calls-for-resignation-of-senator-accused-of-child-prostitution/9141559 Oklahoma gov. calls for resignation of senator accused of child prostitution]." from Associated Press at 40/29 News (and the first line: "Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin is calling for the resignation of Sen. Ralph Shortey after child prostitution charges were filed against him on Thursday.")
:::While within most formal literature things are fully spelled out, abbreviations are used in newspaper headlines as they take up less space. Journalism has its own set of conventions and Wikipedians need to familiarize themselves with them.
:::I made these headlines because newspapers can, and do, write the state job titles in that format, and readers who type in the name into the URL space need to be directed to the right place.
:::WhisperToMe (talk) 17:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
::::That's true, of course, I was just saying that the given link to the given style guide is irrelevant because it doesn't cover these cases, it covers the cases where the full name of the representative is put in print, and that doesn't apply here.
::::I saw, when I checked it, that the style guide has its own conventions such as putting section headings all in lowercase, but I doubt we would follow that advice here and tear up our own dear WP:MOS. The quoted style guide is just irrelevant for our purposes.
:::::It's not really a case of Headline language but, yes, one of brevity when people are familiar on a subject. I still feel that really if you see "Texas Gov. George W. Bush" you are more likely to search for George W. Bush than you are for Texas Gov., or if you are looking for information about "Mary Fallin" then you don't search for "Oklahoma Gov." or OK Gov or whatnot. I you want to know about Theresa May you don't type in MP or Rt. Hon. even though they are part of her formal title (as is Lord, technically). In British newspapers the trend generally seems not to list titles anyway, although the BBC usually do on political programmes and in the straplines at the bottom of the screen on news interviews. Si Trew (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: {{url|texas.gov}} is the website for the government of Texas (.gov suffix being short for "government"). I find it humorous that the website for the governor of Texas is {{url|gov.texas.gov}}. The prefix and suffix are both "gov", with the "gov" meaning different things. -- Tavix (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Hehehe, yeah. And why did people write "Fuck Dubya" on toilet walls? Because they couldn't be bothered to write "Fuck the Governer of the Government of the State of Texas". Si Trew (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Texas Gov. Is la legit redirect, because that is what people will type who are too ____ to type out governor of Texas L3X1 (distant write) 00:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as valid short form. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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