Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 31#Ursernthal

• {{no redirect|1 = Ursernthal }} → :Urseren  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ursernthal&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ursernthal stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Ursernthal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ursernthal closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Ursernthal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ursernthal closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Ursernthal|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ursernthal closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

It is wrong in three ways; there is no thal, nor tal at the end, and written rather Urseren than Ursern nowadays. ZH8000 (talk) 21:14, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• {{ping|ZH8000}} why'd you remove the RfD template from the redirect a a few days ago? Am I to take it that you'd like to rescind this? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:31, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

• {{ping|Amorymeltzer}} yes, please. I didn't know how to cancel it otherwise. -- ZH8000 (talk) 21:48, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Hurriedness }} → :Hurry  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurriedness&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-25&end=2018-01-23&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hurriedness stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Hurriedness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hurriedness closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Hurriedness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hurriedness closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Hurriedness|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hurriedness closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

It is not plausible to use the word "hurriedness" to describe any of the entries at the target page. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

• Keep One of the entries at the target page is "Look up hurry in Wiktionary..." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:13, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

::If that's the only reason to keep it, it can be a Wiktionary redirect to wikt:hurriedness. However, it does not seem to be a word that is commonly looked up. Besides, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as not a dictionary. The concept of hurry is not described in Wikipedia so variants of it do not apply. Otherwise Wiktionary it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 'Murica }} → :United States  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%27Murica&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%27Murica stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:'Murica|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#'Murica closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:'Murica|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#'Murica closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:'Murica|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#'Murica closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

{{Oldrfdlist|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 6#'Murica|retarget to List of U.S. nicknames}}

This redirect targeting where it does goes against the result at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 6#'Murica. The consensus at that discussion was to retarget the redirect to a page that no longer exists; thus, this redirect was eventually deleted per WP:G8 since its target was deleted. However, about a month after the redirect was deleted, it was recreated to target its current page. Either way, I don't see how its current target is helpful to our readers. With that being said, since this redirect is not eligible for WP:G4 (as I interpret it), and since the retargeting option in the previous discussion has since been deleted, either retarget to Wiktionary:'Murica or delete. Steel1943 (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as per creator - Oh dear, I had no idea it was deleted by discussion earlier! And TBH, I kinda realize its pointlessness now.
  But wait, I had no idea we make cross-project redirects??? Never seen or heard of its like, and it sounds like a wicked thing in my ears too. Thank you. Gaioa (t,c,l) 17:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

::Yeah, there are plenty of redirects to Wiktionary, they are created with {{tl|Wiktionary redirect}}. You can see the list at :Category:Redirects to Wiktionary. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to wikt:'Murica. It is certainly a plausible search term, and the Wiktionary entry seems to be all we can give them on the subject. It has a good overview of what the slang term is, how it is derived, and its usage. I can't imagine someone searching for this and being satisfied with general information on the United States anyway. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Wiktionary entry as above since the original list got deleted. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = NeoScrypt }} → :Scrypt#NeoScrypt  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NeoScrypt&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=NeoScrypt stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:NeoScrypt|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#NeoScrypt closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:NeoScrypt|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#NeoScrypt closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:NeoScrypt|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#NeoScrypt closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Content was removed from the Scrypt article & this is not independently notable. -- intgr [talk] 15:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• delete - Per intgr. --Artoria2e5 contrib 15:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Not a notable enough product to be listed in the main. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Snopp dogg }} → :Snoop Dogg  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snopp_dogg&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Snopp_dogg stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Snopp dogg|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Snopp dogg closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Snopp dogg|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Snopp dogg closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Snopp dogg|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Snopp dogg closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not only it is an unlikely spelling error, "Snopp" is also a derogatory term in Swedish, and the target of this redirect has been in hot waters in Sweden according to this [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/27/snoop-doggs-arrest-raises-a-question-is-sweden-racist/?utm_term=.99cc425e68a2 news source]. ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 14:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Weak keep. This is the English Wikipedia, so issues that happen in other languages are not as problematic as if they were present on the Wikipedia of the language which the word's spelling has issues (in this case, Swedish). That, and I can see this being a plausible misspelling since "Dogg" contains two repeating consonants at the end, and so does the first word of this misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete If the name were Snoopp Dogg, it'd be plausible but not mixed like that. Snoop Dog already goes there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete unless there is evidence that Swedes (or some other group of people) are deliberately using this term to describe him, whilst otherwise speaking English. If such evidence does emerge (which frankly seems unlikely to me), then keep and tag {{tl|R from pejorative}}. --NYKevin 07:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Imani Williams }} → :Don't Need No Money  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imani_Williams&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Imani_Williams stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Imani Williams|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Imani Williams closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Imani Williams|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Imani Williams closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Imani Williams|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Imani Williams closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This is an interesting one. Williams meets WP:MUSICBIO#C2, having had two hit singles. I distinctly remember her first hit Say You Do being marketed as a Sigma-Sigala release, and so despite it being a bigger hit, I'd say Williams is about as well known for Say You Do as she is Don't Need No Money, and so a redirect to either would be inappropriate. I say we delete this redirect to encourage article creation. Launchballer 13:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

:Why does it need to be deleted to encourage article creation? I think most people who would be willing to create an article for the singer know how to edit a redirect. I redirected this article to the song because it's her debut single and talks about her in the first line. At least she's mentioned. It's like saying we could delete a redirect for a song because it doesn't have an article and we could point it to either the album it's from or the artist's page where it's mentioned. Ss112 14:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

::Wow, my memory really is failing. It's DJ Fresh-Sigala, not Sigma-Sigala. My point is that as she's equally as well known for both, a redirect to one of them would be undue.--Launchballer 14:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

:::I don't see how a guideline about undue weight in articles applies to where a redirect points. WP:UNDUE is a more specific point of WP:NPOV, which is about unbiased writing, not about avoiding pointing a redirect to a specific page lest it give undue weight to said page. It's her first release as a primary artist, and she's named on that article. She is merely a featured artist on "Say You Do". Ss112 15:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

::::I would argue that although Don't Need No Money was her hit as a primary artist, Say You Do was a far bigger hit, and so I'd say she was known as well for one as she was the other; certainly she got about the same amount of coverage for each. (Having re-read WP:UNDUE, I think the bit in the "Balancing aspects" section, that "an article … should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject" really ought to apply to the redirect in this instance - especially given that per WP:MUSICBIO#C2 there really ought to be an article there.)--Launchballer 15:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

:::::That point is only talking about content within articles themselves. "Ought to" apply doesn't mean it does apply to where redirects point. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but we'll see how others feel. Ss112 15:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Imani is the primary artist in Don't Need No Money but a featured artist in Say You Do (Sigala song). Featured artists shouldn't have singles chronologies in the infoboxes anyway. Those are like guest or cameo appearances, unless it's part of the primary act like "Wham! Featuring George Michael". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Double Gate }} → :Huldah Gates  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Double_Gate&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-15&end=2018-01-13&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Double_Gate stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Double Gate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Double Gate closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Double Gate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Double Gate closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Double Gate|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Double Gate closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Double Gate is too confusing for specific gate. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

: This is the term used on Southern Wall where the linking is coming from. If you think that may be confusing, you should look into the references and discuss it on that page. Tomdo08 (talk) 19:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

:PS: ... also defined as such on the target side of the links: Huldah Gates Tomdo08 (talk) 20:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Disambiguate When one searches Google for "double gate", Huldah Gate is not at the top of the results, which are primarily about gates and fences. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 15:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

:Disambiguate with what? Tomdo08 (talk) 03:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Doublegate / Multigate device. Create dab if other articles mention double gate AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

:'Double Gate' is not the same as 'doublegate'. 'Double Gate' is a distinguished term, it should never redirect to a term written differently. Instead 'Double Gate' (or in this case 'Huldah Gates') could have a Template:Redirect. Tomdo08 (talk) 03:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

: Apart from that: 'doublegate' in electronics normally is not used alone, it's used as attribute. Tomdo08 (talk) 03:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

• Keep A couple of links where the terms ('Double Gate' and 'Triple Gate') are used as known identity:

:* http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/mpc2004002441/PP/

:* http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/mpc2004002440/PP/

:* http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Gates of Jerusalem.htm

:* http://www.generationword.com/jerusalem101/47-southern-temple-wall.html

:* http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/gates-of-jerusalem.html#The%20Huldah%20Gates

:* https://www.ritmeyer.com/2010/12/14/the-beautiful-gate-of-the-temple/

:* https://www.bibleplaces.com/southerntm/

:* https://www.biblosfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BAR.Article.TempleMt.pdf

:* https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/15/6/4

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=0TuCAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=%22Double+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=QcxKAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA153&dq=%22Double+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=S1hAFUkOtbMC&pg=PA119&dq=%22Double+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=cSuErBFmykQC&pg=PA542&dq=%22Double+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=9evpVS_ackwC&pg=PA116&dq=%22Double+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=-qQUCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA78&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=QcxKAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA153&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=vaEGAENEA74C&pg=PA26&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=S1hAFUkOtbMC&pg=PA119&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=9Z2cFY9iGqgC&pg=PA237&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

:* https://books.google.de/books?id=9evpVS_ackwC&pg=PA116&dq=%22Triple+Gate%22+Jerusalem&hl=de&sa=X

Tomdo08 (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

::(Pinging MShabazz and AngusWOOF since they mentioned disambiguation in their comments.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

::(Also pinging Malik Shabazz as I just noticed it is the primary account of {{No ping|MShabazz}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• In response to the question above from Tomdo08, I think double gate should disambiguate to Gate, Doublegate/Multigate device, and Huldah Gates, and maybe other pages I can't think of or don't know of. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

• Technical articles still refer to Double-gate or Double Gate devices. [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecj.10021/abstract] [http://www.nextnano.com/nextnano3/tutorial/2Dtutorial1.htm] [http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1175994/] [http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6636265/] [http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1545914/] and even refer to them as DG MOSFETs. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
• Dabify per above. I think it's reasonable to assume that the phrase can mean different things --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:26, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Nicastrese }} → :Nicastrese goat  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicastrese&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-25&end=2018-01-23&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nicastrese stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nicastrese|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nicastrese closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nicastrese|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nicastrese closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nicastrese|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nicastrese closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Retarget to Nicastro; Nicastrese is a generic adjective meaning 'of/from/pertaining to Nicastro', and is not some kind of neologism pertaining to a goat breed. Nicastrese history is rich, though we say little about it yet. Just googling around, I see that there are: a dance (and music accompanying it) called the tarantello Nicastrese, possibly a viable topic; a Nicastrese hot pepper ({{lang|it|peperone Nicastrese}} or {{lang|it|peperoncino piccante Nicastrese}} among other names) which may be a viable topic, too; various other culinary terms; historical Nicastrese costume (which you can buy on eBay); a Nicastrese Women's Society of St. Anthony of Padua that even has a branch in New York; and so on. Because references in English are often about the goat or its cheese (which might be a viable topic of its own), use {{tlx|redirect|Nicastrese|the goat breed|Nicastrese goat}}.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

:Er, oppose. Move the article back to this title (and please don't ask me why McCandlish thought it needed to be moved in the first place). We don't disambiguate things that don't need to be disambiguated; if we had a page on the Tarantella Nicastrese (NB spelling) it would be at that title, the peperoncino (which is the same thing as the "peperone", a small hot Capsicum annuum often stuffed and preserved in oil) would be at Peperoncino Nicastrese, and so on. The goat is the only candidate for this title at the moment. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

::Execept we wouldn't, per WP:USEENGLISH; we'd have Nicastrese pepper and Nicastrese tarantello (or tarantella – sources vary on the spelling); see :Category:Chili peppers, and :Category:Dances (and subcats thereof).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget for now per nominator and WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT: {{tq|The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary}}. The fact that Nicastrese goat is the only article with the exact string "Nicastrese" doesn't make it primary for the bare demonym. Disambiguate later when we have more discussion of [https://books.google.com/books?hl=zh-TW&id=OQYjAQAAIAAJ&q=nicastrese the dialect], [https://books.google.com/books?id=gIa8kfBDcsIC&q=nicastrese the olive cultivar], and all the other stuff that can be known by the bare demonym. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

• Question to the nominator {{ping|SMcCandlish}} Given that you personally nominated this for a requested move, and that RM failed to achieve consensus, how exactly did the article end up at the new title? I don't think this RfD should proceed unless we have a satisfactory answer to that. --NYKevin 06:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
• :Moved in a later RM that was more narrow [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:British_White_cattle#Requested_moves_19_December_2014]. See also the other results at WP:BREEDDAB; it's entirely routine at this point to disambiguate breed names that coincide with actual or plausible demonyms or geonyms. The idea that there's something controversial here is pure fiction (more specifically, years of tendentious anti-disambiguation and anti-WP:NATURALDISambiguation by Justlettersandnumbers, whom you'll see on the opposing side of almost all successful RMs listed there).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
• ::Very well. Split the baby. Retarget with hatnote and with no prejudice against this RfD being overturned by a later RM or RfD, particularly in the event the cheese gets created or an RM decides to move the goat back to the original title. RfD is not the appropriate venue for precluding either of those outcomes.
• :::{{ping|Justlettersandnumbers}} RfD is also not the appropriate venue for overturning a previous RM. If you want it moved back, go discuss it at RM, not here. --NYKevin 03:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Thathal }} → :Tribes and clans of the Pothohar Plateau  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thathal&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-12&end=2018-01-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Thathal stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Thathal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thathal closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Thathal|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thathal closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Thathal|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thathal closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention of them at the target article, which has been cleaned of unsourced/non-notable entries over a period of many years. Can't find any reliable sources that would justify expansion of the redirect into a standalone article. Sitush (talk) 04:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

: How about we add the basic info from these two classes of Jats and Rajput who belong to this clan at least. There are Hindu Thathals in Jammu who are Jats majority of muslim are Jats along with a few Rajputs. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.142.147 (talk) 23:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

::I don't understand what you are suggesting, sorry. However, if a clan is not notable then it isn't notable. That doesn't mean the article cannot be recreated if things change in the future. - Sitush (talk) 10:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Don't delete as this only became a redirect a week ago, having been an article for almost a decade and having a substantial editing history (including on the talk page). No matter how trusted the nom is in these matters, I really can't see how this could get deleted without AfD. Until that happens, a temporary solution would be to redirect to Jats of Azad Kashmir. Whatever happens to this redirect it should probably also be applied to {{-r|Thathaal}}, {{-r|Thathaal (clan)}}, {{-r|Thathar}}, {{-r|Thothaal}}, {{-r|Thothaal/Thathaal}}, {{-r|Thothal/Thathaal}} and {{-r|Thothar}}. – Uanfala (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

:No sources, no mention. We should not redirect an unsourced something to an article that does not mention them. And a redirect cannot go to AfD. Yes, the article has been around for years and it has never been reliably sourced. People have had plenty of time to fix that. - Sitush (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

::It's sort of mentioned at that target, but if the lack of a proper mention is a concern, then the "lite" alternative to restoring and sending to AfD will be to restore without sending to AfD. – Uanfala (talk) 02:47, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

:::If by "sort of mentioned" you are referring to its entry in a navbox at the bottom of the :Jats of Azad Kashmir then that is no mention at all, is it? The box exists so people can navigate to valid articles, not to validate the existence of articles. - Sitush (talk) 15:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Procedural comment--Pathetic article-qualities, resulting in draconic cleanups that leads to the manifestation of a RFD rather than an AFD, could hardly be blamd along the lines of-- side-stepping the process.If {{U|Uanfala|you}} wish to challenge the cleanup, restore the non-redirected state (pending which an AFD may be launched) or if you wish to preserve the redirect, please provide the target that properly mentions them, backed up by sources.Winged Blades^Godric 07:07, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
• Just commenting (I've already !voted above) that in the absence of further input, the best course of action is to restore the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thathal&oldid=758065661 pre-redirect version] (this is after the "draconic cleanup" referenced above). As this one-sentence stub doesn't have any glaring content issues, and there are plenty of sources (if individually unreliable) on the web to verify this is not a hoax, it's only a question of notability, so it could be left to the initiative of interested parties to take that to AfD. – Uanfala (talk) 15:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

:*I suspect that you and I are going to have a big falling out at some point regarding this rampant inclusionism that just wastes the time of other people. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

::*Thank you for the invitation, but I'm not interested, and I'm not an inclusionist. Although I do take some of the blame for wasting everyone's time: I should have simply closed this discussion and reopened it as an AfD. – Uanfala (talk) 17:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Jewish fraternity }} → :Alpha Epsilon Pi  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_fraternity&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-24&end=2018-01-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jewish_fraternity stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Jewish fraternity|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Jewish fraternity closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Jewish fraternity|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Jewish fraternity closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Jewish fraternity|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Jewish fraternity closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Deletion. Alpha Epsilon Pi is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Tau Delta Phi and Sigma Alpha Mu come from similarly Jewish backgrounds and are now non-sectarian. Perhaps one day it will go to a page on the history of Jewish Fraternities and Sororities, but I don't think the current redirect is appropriate Naraht (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete or turn into a disambiguation page. If someone is searching for the "jewish frat" they probably are looking for Alpha Epsilon Pi, but the nominator makes a good point, so why not just turn into a disambiguation?--Rusf10 (talk) 23:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
• :Unless the topics are known as "Jewish fraternity" (that is, "Jewish fraternity" could be in contention for the name of the article), it wouldn't be a disambiguation page. It could be turned into a list article, or better, moved to a title like List of Jewish fraternities. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

::Okay, let's do that then, create the list and then redirect there.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - The issue here is that someone needs to create a broad concept article called 'Jewish fraternities' and discuss various historical as well as current issues there, right? Using sources like [https://forward.com/news/349501/is-a-jewish-fraternity-like-aepi-only-for-jews/ this]? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete pernom. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 09:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment :Category:Historically Jewish fraternities and sororities in the United States gives 11 Greek organizations (I was not able to find any others outside the U.S.). It wouldn't be too hard to create a list of that nature, although it wouldn't be that long. It would give the redirect somewhere to go. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

:: Category was created on 23 January 2018. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

• Listify and move to List of Jewish fraternities and sororities. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Crystal flash }} → :Super Metroid  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crystal_flash&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crystal_flash stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Crystal flash|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal flash closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Crystal flash|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal flash closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Crystal flash|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal flash closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Technique not mentioned in the target article. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. In addition to the nom's point, there's also a chain of convenience stores (of questionable notability) in the United States that goes by the same name. Steel1943 (talk) 12:31, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• delete as obscure game mechanic --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:25, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
• Delete first search result is a Michigan fuel distribution company. [https://www.crystalflash.com] [http://fox17online.com/2017/11/30/tips-on-maintaining-house-heat-during-winter-from-crystal-flash/] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:55, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
• Delete - As stated above, this seems too unclear to be kept. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Mochtroid }} → :Super Metroid  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mochtroid&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mochtroid stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mochtroid|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mochtroid closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mochtroid|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mochtroid closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mochtroid|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mochtroid closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in target page. Implausible to redirect to Metroid, given they are not Metroids but failed clones of them. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Not discussed in any Characters in the Metroid series or particular installments of the game. According to the Metroid wiki, "The subject of this article is not named in-game." [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Mochtroid] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Chozo Ruins }} → :Metroid Prime  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chozo_Ruins&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Chozo_Ruins stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Chozo Ruins|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chozo Ruins closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Chozo Ruins|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chozo Ruins closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Chozo Ruins|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Chozo Ruins closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

While this area does appear in the game, it is an overly vague redirect considering that there is a Chozo ruin in many Metroid games, including an entire level that takes place within them in Metroid Zero Mission. Chozo Ruins are not something particularly unique about Metroid Prime. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• The best target is probably Characters in the Metroid series#Chozo, but it’s mentioned only briefly in fancruft. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 10:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (levels) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Ice Spreader }} → :Metroid Prime  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ice_Spreader&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ice_Spreader stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Ice Spreader|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ice Spreader closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Ice Spreader|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ice Spreader closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Ice Spreader|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ice Spreader closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Overly vague redirect. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete if it were ice melt spreader it would go to Broadcast spreader or Snow removal. But a tool that spreads ice and isn't covered by game's article shouldn't warrant the redirect. WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (gameplay items) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:08, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Wavebuster }} → :Metroid Prime  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wavebuster&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wavebuster stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wavebuster|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wavebuster closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wavebuster|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wavebuster closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wavebuster|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wavebuster closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in target article. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as another causalty of the deleted lists of Metroid items or weapons that now fits with WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (gameplay items) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:21, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Thermal Visor }} → :Metroid Prime  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thermal_Visor&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Thermal_Visor stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Thermal Visor|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thermal Visor closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Thermal Visor|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thermal Visor closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Thermal Visor|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thermal Visor closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Redirect is too vague and broad. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Thermal vision as more likely broad article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:22, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
• I was going to suggest that, too, but a visor is something different. However, it appears that the usage of the term in-game refers to a thermal vision device. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 17:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

::: There's also Eye protection which covers googles, helmets and visors. Or Visor in general. All those can help protect the eyes and face from intense heat and light, and of course physical impact. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:53, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

:::: The article only mentions a Scan Visor, but that there are other visors with different abilities. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:55, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Prime 3 }} → :Metroid Prime 3: Corruption  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prime_3&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Prime_3 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Prime 3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Prime 3 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Prime 3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Prime 3 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Prime 3|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Prime 3 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Overly vague and confusing redirect. It could refer to prime numbers or some other mathematical concept. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• {{Ping|Zxcvbnm}} I assume that you also want to add {{No redirect|Prime 2}} to this discussion? Steel1943 (talk) 12:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Are there any video game articles that use this as a shortcut for Metroid Prime 3? I want to make sure it's WP:NOTNEO There could be a weak retarget to Triple prime which redirects to Prime (symbol). Prime (disambiguation) also has an entry for Prime 3-manifold AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:59, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Metroid Prime Revolution }} → :Metroid Prime 3: Corruption  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metroid_Prime_Revolution&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Metroid_Prime_Revolution stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime Revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime Revolution closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime Revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime Revolution closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime Revolution|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime Revolution closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Metroid Prime revolution }} → :Metroid Prime 3: Corruption  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metroid_Prime_revolution&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Metroid_Prime_revolution stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime revolution closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime revolution closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Metroid Prime revolution|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid Prime revolution closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Metroid prime revolution }} → :Metroid Prime 3: Corruption  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metroid_prime_revolution&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-01&end=2018-01-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Metroid_prime_revolution stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Metroid prime revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid prime revolution closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Metroid prime revolution|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid prime revolution closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Metroid prime revolution|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Metroid prime revolution closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The Revolution was the development name for the Wii, implausible redirect. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete the game came out over a year after the Wii name was announced meaning it likely was never know as Metroid Prime Revolution.--72.0.200.133 (talk) 18:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak retarget List of Metroid media as there are multiple Metroid games under Wii. Also okay with deleting since Revolution wasn't really a fully developed name release. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:03, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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