Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 8#Wikipedia:TEA
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==Jews and the United Arab Emirates==
:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
:The result of the discussion was keep
As with all early (NAC) closes, if you object to this closure and wish for further discussion instead, please reach out to me on my talk page & I happily revert in favour of further discussion (and will get back to you as soon as possible {{small|(all I ask is that you please be civil)}}). (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Jews and the United Arab Emirates }} → :History of the Jews in the United Arab Emirates (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jews_and_the_United_Arab_Emirates&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-12-09&end=2018-01-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jews_and_the_United_Arab_Emirates stats])
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Delete. No article links here, and no other "Jews and [a specific country]" page exists, the right format is "History of the Jews in [a given country]". There's nothing controversial about this, it is just a redundant page which someone may have created without putting much thought into it. Shalom11111 (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It seems clear the nom (a) has a vendetta against this redirect and (b) has never looked at its edit history. A redirect from a page move should be kept per WP:RFD#KEEP #4 and WP:EXTERNALROT. This redirect is also a reasonable search term (WP:RFD#KEEP #3), and for some reason it had 30 page views on January 1 (perhaps an article linked to it for a brief period). — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
::In contrary to the selective statistic given above, the said page, Jews and the United Arab Emirates, [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-12-01&end=2017-12-31&pages=Jews_and_the_United_Arab_Emirates '''has been viewed 1 (yes, one) time during the entire month of December]. The 30 views on Jan. 1st must've been mine as I checked the page and went back and forth to the its history and talk page, before proposing it for deletion. The past issue was that the page included information about another country, it was not about the redirect. It is advised, as you said, to keep it cool and not resort to blaming others of "vendetta" (a disclosure: I have an interest in Jewish history), as that could be a personal attack and has no place here. Having said that, it is clear that WP:EXTERNALROT/RFD#KEEP are of no use here, no article links to this page and it should follow [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=history+of+the+jews+in&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=3q1akhk9ia6xmuvyqjckunwkg this format] like all others. Shalom11111 (talk) 09:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Perhaps you should actually read the pages I cited, which are widely accepted as reasons to keep a redirect, instead of making up your own reasons for deleting it. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC):
::::Okay, let us examine the Wikipedia policies you cited on redirects:
::::WP:RFD#KEEP#3 says: "They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article."
::::REFUTED: The page has had zero views for over two weeks this past December.
::::WP:RFD#KEEP#4 says: "You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites."
::::REFUTED: No article in the entire English Wikipedia links to this redirect.
::::WP:EXTERNALROT: Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites"
::::Not relevant at all here, and and other than pointing at different policies, you haven't provided a single example to back up your opposition to something so obvious. This is a simple matter, it is a redundant, un-aesthetic redirect that should be deleted. Shalom11111 (talk) 08:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::"Other than pointing at different policies" LOL That's what we're supposed to do, cite policies and guidelines, not repeatedly try to delete something useful because we don't like it. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 21:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Someone interested in the topic of Jews living in this area could very well use this search term. It appears perfectly reasonable to me. That it may be only rarely helpful doesn't make it inherently useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - perfectly reasonable search term. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per all here except nominator. Debresser (talk) 22:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
