Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 May 15#CrystalClear

• {{no redirect|1 = Yehova'nın şahitleri }} → :Jehovah's Witnesses  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yehova%27n%C4%B1n_%C5%9Fahitleri&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Yehova%27n%C4%B1n_%C5%9Fahitleri stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Yehova'nın şahitleri|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Yehova'nın şahitleri closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Yehova'nın şahitleri|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Yehova'nın şahitleri closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Yehova'nın şahitleri|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Yehova'nın şahitleri closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete per WP:FORRED since per my limited knowledge of the target, its subject does not have affinity to the Turkish language. (Feel free to correct me though.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per above.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete while the organisation does have a presence in Turkey, it is not limited to activities in a particular language. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:32, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Millennial Dawnists }} → :Jehovah's Witnesses  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Millennial_Dawnists&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Millennial_Dawnists stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Millennial Dawnists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Millennial Dawnists closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Millennial Dawnists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Millennial Dawnists closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Millennial Dawnists|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Millennial Dawnists closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mention in the body of the article. (It is mentioned in the referenced.) If this is not resolved, readers would be better served if this redirect were deleted or retargeted to Studies in the Scriptures since {{No redirect|Millennial Dawn}} targets there. Steel1943 (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect to Bible Student movement. Jehovah's Witnesses didn't formally exist until 1931.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to Bible Student movement as referring to the group that studied the Millennial Dawn series like Trekkies is to Star Trek. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation) }} → :Jehovah's Witnesses  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Websites_Critical_of_the_Watchtower_Society_(Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_Organisation)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Websites_Critical_of_the_Watchtower_Society_%28Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_Organisation%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Websites Critical of the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses' Organisation) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

There doesn't seem to be such a WP:PRECISE list at the target article, nor does this seem like a likely search term. Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. Very unlikely anyone is ever going to be searching for this title.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. It seems this was originally a combination of a list of external links and encyclopaedic rant that was cut-and-paste moved to at least one other title and properly moved from there a couple of times. That content was been speedily deleted five times in two days in May 2005 (see the history at Critical Information on Jehovah's Witnesses) so there is no reason to keep this around for attribution purposes. The other titles this had were more plausible search terms and now redirect to Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses, so I don't see a need to delete any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete as above. No section pertaining to the notability of particular websites in criticizing this organization. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses }} → :Jehovah's Witnesses  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opposing_views_on_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Opposing_views_on_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Opposing views on Jehovah's Witnesses closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I had originally considered retargeting this to Jehovah's Witnesses#Opposition, but that section is in regards to opposition to the concept itself, and not exclusive to opposing "views"; for example, the section includes persecution. Due to this and since the concept of "opposing views" is ambiguous due to the various alternative Christian views, I'd say it's best to delete this due to its unsolvable ambiguity. Steel1943 (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect to Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget per Jeffro77. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites }} → :Jehovah's Witnesses  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_Websites&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Anti-Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_Websites stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anti-Jehovah's Witnesses Websites closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No such list at target article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect to Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• The body of Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses has no specific information regarding the subject of this redirect. The only location which this information is located is in the "External links" section, but that doesn't seem helpful as I have never seen any precedence for redirecting to an "External links" section in an article. Unless such information is added to the body of the article, I'm still in the opinion that the best result for this redirect to help our readers is deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• I have no major objection to delete it, but if it is to redirect anywhere, the article I have indicated is conceptually the best target even if it does not specifically match the title of the redirect. Wikipedia isn't a directory, so if people are just looking for a list of websites about JWs (negative, positive or otherwise), they're at the wrong site.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:NOTREPOSITORY of links. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = CCAV }} → :China Central Television  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CCAV&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-05&end=2018-05-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=CCAV stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:CCAV|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#CCAV closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:CCAV|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#CCAV closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:CCAV|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#CCAV closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Fails WP:NPOV Shwangtianyuan Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 04:30, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

• Disambig NPOV is not normally a concern for redirects - see WP:RNEUTRAL. In this case though "CCAV" does not appear anywhere on the page, but it does get a sourced mention at Chinese Internet slang#Latin alphabet abbreviations (字母縮寫 zìmǔ suōxiě) ("CCAV: China Central Adult Video, ironic nickname for China Central Television (CCTV).") so that would be a plausible place to retarget this. However there are other uses of the CCAV acronym mentioned on Wikipedia:
• The "Chinese Consumers' Association of Vancouver" gets a few short sentences at Chinese Canadians in Greater Vancouver#Other associations
• There is a use of the acronym at Oxbotica#Public deploymnets ("As part of the UK CCAV Funded DRIVEN project [...]"). Google tells me this is the "Centre for Connected and Autonomous Vehicles". I'll be adding that expansion to the article shortly.
• The Centre for Connected and Autonomous Vehicles is the whole first page of hits for me when googling the acronym but that gets mentioned (without acronym) only at Low Carbon Vehicle Event. We should probably have at least a paragraph or so about it somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per Thryduulf solely for entries which actually meet WP:DABMENTION. The current target definitely should not discuss this minor flash-in-the-pan meme, per WP:WEIGHT. (Also FWIW, the sourcing at Chinese Internet slang is a disaster of blogs and other WP:SPS). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD }} → :Wikipedia:Edit warring  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-04-15&end=2018-05-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3ABRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This is a useless shortcut as it is not short and therefore not useful. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 19:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Delete and WP:DAFTify, it is an extremely implausible search term since there are 32 R's. And it sounds like someone shivering. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per badger mushroom, Wooooooo, and Gooooogle AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
• Regretful delete, though this is amusing and accurate enough that I would support recreation with a saner number of R's (perhaps WP:BRRRRRRRRRRD with only ten?). Double sharp (talk) 14:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

:*WP:BRRRRRD exists with 5 R's (though it redirects to Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle)... -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars. As silly as this redirect is, might as well have it target something equally as silly. Steel1943 (talk) 15:52, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
• Delete nice joke but I don't think it's particularly useful to the wiki --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
• Don't have much of an opinion on this, but it really should be WP:BRRRRRRRAN3RRD Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:25, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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