Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 27#W'pedia
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==Human-readable interpretation==
==Pulpit robe==
==Westminster paedophile ring==
:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
:The result of the discussion was retarget
- {{no redirect|1 = Westminster paedophile ring }} → :Elm Guest House claims and controversy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westminster_paedophile_ring&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-23&end=2019-01-21&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Westminster_paedophile_ring stats])
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A redirect created in 2015 when it was generally accepted that the claims were discredited, but some continued to dispute (possibly here on Wikipedia at that time) that it wasn't a 'complete hoax' ... that was before the main accuser 'Nick' was exposed as a fantasist and named as Carl Beech and charged for Perverting the Course of Justice, in 2018. Now, it is just incontrovertible Libel. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/19/trial-date-set-vip-paedophile-accuser-nick-perverting-course/] 194.207.146.167 (talk) 12:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget to Westminster paedophile dossier. The elm guest house article deals with false claims, this isn't an appropriate redirect.LM2000 (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Disambig. The claims were and are notable (that they were later discredited is not relevant, as has been repeatedly noted in the AfD), and this is a very likely search term for at least the allegations and the 1984 dossier, possibly other articles too. (note that Carl Beech is about a different person). 22:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thryduulf (talk • contribs)
- The veracity of the claims doesn't really matter in assessing whether this is an appropriate search term. {{t|R from non-neutral name}} should be applied regardless. Without previous familiarity with any of these topics, Westminster paedophile dossier seems like the most appropriate place to target this. It does link to the Elm Guest House article at one point. I'd be very cautious of disambiguation here, because that gets much more closer to us reproducing the claims. WP:XY deletion may well be more appropriate than that. --BDD (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia doesn't have an article about a Westminster paedophile ring. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- It does have information about notable allegations of a couple though. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not convinced any of the proposed targets contain a concept that can be classified as a "paedophile ring". Deryck C. 14:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Retarget to Westminster paedophile dossier, which discusses {{tq|an alleged paedophile ring at Westminster.}} -- Tavix (talk) 22:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 22:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. I wasn't familiar with this at all, but a few things stick out to me. The current target doesn't mention Westminster, but more importantly from reading some of the sources, they seem to report on it at "a Westminster..." not "The Westminster..." The suggested target would seem to be most helpful for anyone searching for this term. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: this is a WP:INVOLVED relisting to close the 15 February log page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
