. As noted below, redirects need not be neutral, only useful and plausible. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Procedural nomination. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Venezuelan power grid sabotage. wumbolo ^^^ 12:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
:*Delete Misleading and false, violation of WP:NPOV. --Jamez42 (talk) 05:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Citing article text with sources:
- "The administration of Nicolás Maduro blamed foreign US sabotage for the outage"
- "Prosecutor General Tarek William Saab announced an investigation of Guaidó for sabotage"
- "China had received reports that the power grid had gone down due to a hacking attack"
- "Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that Russia agrees with Maduro that Western sabotage caused the power outage in Venezuela."
- More reactions with sabotage/attack mentions: President of Bolivia Evo Morales [https://www.efe.com/efe/america/portada/evo-morales-califica-de-cobarde-atentado-terrorista-el-apagon-en-venezuela/20000064-3920027], President of Cuba Miguel Díaz-Canel [https://www.europapress.es/internacional/noticia-diaz-canel-acusa-eeuu-hostigar-venezuela-librar-guerra-despiadada-contra-pais-20190313011843.html]
- Hardly a violation of NPOV. It should be the title of the original article, the event has been named sabotage/attack by several authorities, so a redirect is appropriate. emijrp (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
::*Comment At most "allegations" should be added to the redirect. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
::I figured that I should provide examples on how these are allegations and there aren't proofs of it being an "attack" or a "sabotage":
::* "Sources cited by Corpoelec (the state-owned national electricity company) indicated a vegetation fire occurred on three lines of 765 kV between the Gurí Dam and the Malena and San Gerónimo B substations. The fire overheated the lines, triggering load rejection mechanisms that protect the lines connected to the dam. According to the School of Electrical Engineering of the Central University of Venezuela, the momentary loss of power at the Gurí Dam caused the turbines to increase their speed, creating an overload on electrical systems."
::* "Satellite images show that the vegetation fire in the Guri started a day before the blackout."
::* "Engineers and analysts quoted by The Guardian say the cause is underfunding and mismanagement"
::* "Venezuelan energy experts cited by El Pitazo have rejected the theory that the blackout was caused by sabotage, since the area of the Gurí Dam is heavily guarded by members of the Armed Forces, where it operates a special command and the internal security of Corpolec."
::* "These specialists have also pointed out that Gurí was constructed before the Internet existed, does not use the Internet, hence does not allow for hacking."
::* "A risk management consultant cited by El Nacional dismissed the statement by government officials and assured that the design of the hydroelectric plant system does not allow "attacks" of that type."
:::Quoting governemnt officials and their allies it's very different from quoting details and experts in the area--Jamez42 (talk) 11:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep and tag with {{t|R from non-neutral name}}. Easy call. --BDD (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete; while I am sympathetic to BDD's reasoning (tag as non-neutral), the problem is that these POV redirects result in a long-list of articles one has to sort through on search when trying to find a "2019 Venezuelan ..." topic. This is a POV, unnecessary redirect which only obscures searches for legit articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep and tag per BDD and WP:RNEUTRAL. This is a term that people searching for this will plausibly use given its use elsewhere. The tiny inconvenience to those looking for other 2019 Venezuelan topics is unfortunate by far outweighed by those looking for this article at this title. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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