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Not sure why this would be an appropriate title for the war, which was between the Han and Dayuan. The article only mentions Greek/Greco- (or any other derivation of the word) in connection to an image of the Sampul tapestry included in the article, but whose connection to the rest of the article's content is unclear. signed, Rosguill talk 19:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete – there was no Greco-Chinese War. The name "Greco-Chinese war" was sourced to a [https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2018/12/12/the-greco-chinese-war-over-the-heavenly-horses blog] and Youtube video. However, the Greco-Bactrian kingdom had lost Dayuan (Ferghana valley) to the Saka some 60 years before the Chinese expedition reached the valley. The kingdom itself, in Bactria (Daxia), had fallen 20 years before the expedition. Kanguole 21:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Does not appear to refer to this war. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep:
As pointed out, it appears in a video, a blog, and many other posts, so those who are more curious about the event would remember it as the 'Greco-Chinese' war and will need that term as an anchor if they wish to read the wikipedia articles on it. It has already been successfully advertised as such. It is also more memorable and contains many grains of truth to it. The Dayuan are the inheritors of the Greco-Bactrian kingdom and absorbed some Greek cultures and may have employed some Greek descendants in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayuan
To quote from this article:
'These Chinese accounts describe the Dayuan as urbanized dwellers with Caucasian features, living in walled cities and having "customs identical to those of the Greco-Bactrians", a Hellenistic kingdom that was ruling Bactria at that time in today's northern Afghanistan. The Dayuan are also described as manufacturers and great lovers of wine.[1]
The Dayuan were the descendants of the Greek colonists that were settled by Alexander the Great in Ferghana in 329 BCE (see Alexandria Eschate), and had prospered within the Hellenistic realm of the Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians, until they were isolated by the migrations of the Yuezhi around 160 BCE. It appears that the name "Yuan" was simply a transliteration of Sanskrit Yavana or Pali Yona, used throughout antiquity in Asia to designate Greeks ("Ionians"), so that Dayuan would mean "Great Ionians" or "Great Greeks".'
Based on this, the Dayuan were essentially as Greek as you could get.
The Chinese article refers to it as 'Dayuan' and to the war as the 'Han-Dayuan war' (汉攻大宛之战) so if anything Han-Dayuan would be the most accurate term. A redirect has already been created. But a number of links already point to Greco-Chinese war, and if deleted it would be quite painful to fix all of it, so in the end it is more convenient to retain that page.
Alexkyoung (talk) 03:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:Unreliable sources (per WP:BLOGS, followed by an argument that's basically just original research. Find me even one RS that refers to this war as a Greco-Chinese war and I'll vote keep. signed, Rosguill talk 04:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: What Links Here shows only 5 real links, all added within the last month, which can easily be removed. Blogs and videos are not proper sources when there are published books. The Greco-Bactrian kingdoms had a Greek ruling class which had been replaced by this time.Benjamin Trovato (talk)
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