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==Steele's debunked hoax dossier==
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:The result of the discussion was speedy delete
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Deletion of POINT violating fringe-POV redirect -- Valjean (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
In a discussion at Talk:Steele dossier#Dossier aka "Trump-Russia" Dossier, I made an obviously sarcastic joke, using a ridiculous, extremely fringe POV, title as an example of what some might like, such as those who get their information from unreliable sources. (I should have known better, because it got a bite. Someone did like it!) I never intended for it be created by PackMecEng. It's a classic example of what PackMecEng calls [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Steele_dossier&diff=970181723&oldid=970180938 "a crappy POV title"], and one I would never make, yet she did it while obviously conscious of the idea of “a crappy POV title.” The irony is thick here.
As it is clearly a POINT violating fringe-POV redirect, it should be deleted. We do not allow fringe-POV content as redirects. Redirects should not be based on an editor's opinion, but on RS, and RS do not consider the dossier either debunked or a hoax. Those are descriptions found on extremely biased sources like Breitbart, InfoWars, Fox News, Townhall, Daily Caller, Hannity, Limbaugh, WND, Zero Hedge, and other unreliable and conspiracy sources. Those descriptions are generally not found on mainstream RS. Just because a few allegations in the dossier have not been proven does not mean the whole dossier is debunked or a hoax. That is the type of deceptive Trump talking point RS reject and debunk every single day.
When someone suggests a sarcastic and obviously stupid redirect example, they are not asking for anyone to actually create it, and creating it is a clear POINT violation. If it is to be allowed to remain, would redirects like the following be allowed to point to Trump's bio?
- Putin's Puppet, Traitor Trump, Pathological liar, Russian asset, Useful idiot Trump, Benedict Trump, Quisling Trump
I really doubt it. Anyone who created those redirects would likely get blocked as NOTHERE and violating POINT. I tried a speedy delete, but that was rejected because I didn’t use the right (non-existent?) template. (So what is the right speedy delete template to use for policy and POINT violations?) One would think that an obvious violation would still be deleted under IAR. Instead, I was told to come here, which wastes more time. -- Valjean (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Is this a joke? Delete it. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy doesn't apply but should and I suggest it be added for speedy deletion reasons. This is clearly someone not happy with discussion and placing their POV into a redirect. Delete quickly and a trout at bare minimum as this is vandalism.O3000 (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, and formally warn or block the redirect's creator, User:PackMecEng. This is at best a tendentious WP:POINT violation, and at worst straight-up vandalism +/- a WP:BLP violation. In any case, it's disruptive editing in an area (American politics) where we supposedly have heightened standards, especially for established editors who should know better. MastCell Talk 01:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, obviously. WP:POINTy and not NPOV. Guy (help!) 08:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, WP:G7 if possible. Yes it was a bit pointy in response to endless hyperbole. Which I will note they continue with just above. Though that does not mean I should of created it. {{U|JzG}} & {{U|Drmies}} sorry about that. PackMecEng (talk) 09:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
