. The consensus is that there isn't a primary topic for "Southpaw", so it should be a disambiguation page. Rosguill pointed out that a clean solution is to swap it with the existing disambiguation page at Southpaw (disambiguation). Mz7 (talk) 22:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
::Update: I have moved Southpaw (disambiguation) overtop of Southpaw—a consequence of this is that the original history of the Southpaw redirect has now been deleted, replaced by the history of the disambiguation page. Mz7 (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Left-hander }} → :Handedness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Left-hander&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-05-16&end=2020-06-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Left-hander stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Left-hander|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Left-hander closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Left-hander|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Left-hander closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Left-hander|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Left-hander closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Southpaw }} → :Handedness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southpaw&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-05-16&end=2020-06-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Southpaw stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Southpaw|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Southpaw closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Southpaw|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Southpaw closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Southpaw|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Southpaw closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
Left-hander and Southpaw currently redirect to Handedness, but these redirects should point towards the page list of people who are left-handed because it is more closely related. When users search for left-hander or southpaw they are more than likely looking for people who are left-handed, not a page describing what handedness is. JustinMal1 (talk) 05:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment combined & fixed nominations. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose no evidence that users would be looking for people rather than definition of the term. However, Southpaw may be better retargeted to Southpaw stance. Polyamorph (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Left-hander and
retarget Southpaw to Southpaw stance per Polyamorph. Captain Galaxy (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Retarget Southpaw to Southpaw stance, which discusses a topic related to but distinct from left-handedness. I don't think that readers searching these terms are most likely to be looking for a list of people, so I oppose the other move. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 11:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep left-hander as it's far more likely that someone using this search term is looking for an article about the concept rather than a list (which can be found via the hatnoted dab page). No opinion about Southpaw at the moment. Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Left-hander at its current target (like with Right-hander) per Captain Galaxy and Thryduulf, as readers are likely to be looking for the concept as the latter points out,
neutral on round-robin swap Southpaw with Southpaw (disambiguation) per below. Regards, SONIC678 16:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC), updated 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Wherever southpaw redirects, there should be a {{tl|redirect}} hatnote to The Southpaw. Narky Blert (talk) 16:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Disambiguate southpaw. This could refer to handedness, the southpaw stance, or Glossary of baseball (S)#southpaw, as well as The Southpaw. Enough possible meanings that it's probably best not to pick a single meaning to target to, and too many to effectively hatnote without a dab page. Hog Farm (talk) 03:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- :{{ping|Hog Farm}} A disambiguation page already exists for this at Southpaw (disambiguation). So, do you think this page should be moved to the base title? Regards, SONIC678 15:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
:: Yes. I don't think there's a primary topic imo. Hog Farm (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Retarget Southpaw to Southpaw (film) (or rather move that article over the redirect). Based on my research the film is clear primary topic for searches. Thryduulf (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}Relisting comment: I see a consensus to keep Left-hander but we haven't converged on a consensus for what to do with Southpaw
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Left-hander, RetargetSouthpaw: Left-hander seems like people would want to search for handedness not the list of people who are left-handed. {{3125A|talk}} 19:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- More than one target has been suggested for Southpaw, please could you clarify where you think it should be retargetted to. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- To the proposed target by the proposer. {{3125A|talk}} 22:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- There is an epidemic of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=200&target=Southpaw&namespace=0 over 150] WP:OVERLINKs to the everyday word "southpaw" which is understood by most readers in the context of sports biographies. We can't just redirect to Southpaw (film) or even Southpaw stance, which is specific to boxers, without first removing these overlinks to southpaw baseball and tennis players, etc. There is no consensus primary topic, so the obvious solution is to disambiguate. In contrast, there are just [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Left-hander&namespace=0 16 overlinks] to Left-hander and if we keep redirecting to handedness for the dictionary definition, I suppose that's harmless. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I change my vote on Southpaw to disambiguate per Wbm1058. Captain Galaxy (talk) 12:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Southpaw by swapping it with Southpaw (disambiguation). signed, Rosguill talk 21:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- :Good points have been made above about Southpaw, as such I'm changing my !vote above, although my argument regarding Left-hander still stands. Regards, SONIC678 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.