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(pinging DiamondRemley39). Just to be clear, there's no prejudice against you starting a Draft:The Rhythmettes, but since this redirect has no edit history, there's really nothing to draftify here. If there had ever been an article here, so much as a single sentence, I would've been happy to send that draft space for you, but there hasn't been. --BDD (talk) 16:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = The Rhythmettes }} → :Optimistic Voices (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rhythmettes&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-10-25&end=2020-11-23&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Rhythmettes stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:The Rhythmettes|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Rhythmettes closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The Rhythmettes|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Rhythmettes closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The Rhythmettes|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Rhythmettes closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
Recommend deleting the redirect; see research performed by John Pack Lambert at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Optimistic Voices. This redirect has no visible history as a full article, and someone may have decided to redirect a singing group name to a song that is believed to have been performed by them. But that song is from 1939 and the only documented group called the Rhythmettes was formed in 1950 [https://www.womeninrockproject.org/reference/rhythmettes/], and if they performed the song "Optimistic Voices" that is not necessarily a notable fact. There seems to be nowhere else to redirect the group name, unless the 1950s singing group has an article of their own someday. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- Draftify as the group meets WP:BAND 1 and 10. The earlier group of this name is documented in various places, including in Google Books. Follow the trail. According to [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Wizard_of_Oz_FAQ/HNCGDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rhythmettes+optimistic+voices&pg=PT184&printsec=frontcover 1], it was a trio that "gained some notice" in its time. On this page [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Wizard_of_Oz_FAQ/HNCGDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rhythmettes+three+little+pigs&pg=PT185&printsec=frontcover 2], we get the names of two Rhythmettes. We get the names Dorothy Compton and Mary Moder from that book. From their Wikipedia articles, we get names of other (supposed/likely) members who are individually notable, like Bonnie Poe and Mae Questel. From my newspapers.com search I get the name Betty Bruce and some others. We already know they performed Optimistic Voices, which is iconic even if it won't pass notability, and they also performed the vocals in the 3 Little Pigs film. It's to the point where I have enough clippings already that a legitimate draft of the Rhythmettes should be started. It can include a section with information on the older groups that it is not about. Draftify to vet statements and put together a narrative of the band. Pinging Toughpigs for his take--he is much more familiar with Disney of this era. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::This is a discussion about the redirect because that's all the page title "Rhythmettes" does right now. It only makes sense to draftify if you are planning to write an entirely new article about the 1930s group, which would be the place to use the page title. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Guess I didn't make it clear: I intend to create an entirely new article about the group, so it makes sense to draftify it. Or it can be deleted and I'll just recreate it from scratch. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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