. Involved close, changes have been made to the target article that address my original concerns. signed, Rosguill talk 17:38, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Not mentioned at the target, seems like a likely case of WP:R#DELETE #10 signed, Rosguill talk 17:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - I can see where this may be confusing. Eventually, if found Notable, the Ag Station should have its own article. For now, as it was an early part of the UMass campus, it appears that this was the best fit for a redirect link. What I know about the Ag Station is that in the late 1800s and early 1900s the Agricultural Experimental Station was co-located to surround the campus of the university, which had been established some ten years prior. Here on this article :Campus of the University of Massachusetts Amherst I had found [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_of_the_University_of_Massachusetts_Amherst#/media/File:Massachusetts_Agricultural_College,_1912.png a 1912 map], which indicated adjacency. Looking further, I found [https://credo.library.umass.edu/view/zoom/murg036_100-i043 another map from 1893] where the buildings that supported the Agricultural Experiment Station were clearly marked: This second map is on a north/south basis, and confirms the Experimental station being the two buildings at uppermost. The Wikilink redirect is important because the Ag Station is featured prominently in one of my fraternity's histories, along with the Wikipedia biographies of several early UMass presidents. Growth in the subsequent century on and around the campus seem to have hidden it, as the mission of the school shifted from a strongly agricultural basis. This helps clarify where the Station once was: straddling the north apex of the early campus ring road. Jax MN (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:I did some further checking. The East Experimental Station (building) remains at 671 Pleasant, according to current campus maps. The area is near Worcester Commons. EAS now houses the UMass Press. The West Experimental Station building had grown to be unsound, and was dismantled, with its [https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/video-brick-brick-reconstruction-west historic facade rebuilt as part of the entrance to the new Physics lab], which replaced it at that site. Jax MN (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:I updated the target article to add a couple of descriptive sentences about these two buildings in the North Campus section of the page. The redirect should make more sense now. Jax MN (talk) 15:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Jax MN}}, based on your comments here and the edits made to the article, it seems that neither of the buildings is actually known by this name specifically. Moreover, I don't see the need for links from the other articles, as the target provides no information about the building/research initiative other than a brief, likely WP:UNDUE claim about the building's location cited to a map. signed, Rosguill talk 18:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
:::A few thoughts on this. The Ag Experimental Station (AES) was more important for the first sixty-odd years of UMass; the original name of that school was Massachusetts Agricultural College. The AES had cropped up as a red link from time to time, as it had previously been a rather big deal on the campus. It appears to me that the target page has relatively minimal content throughout in comparison with other similar pages; not for lack of value, but because no one has expanded the article to match the treatment that architectural aspects generate at other schools. I could certainly expand my couple of sentences about the AES, but without doing it for other buildings this would create undue Weight in comparison to the other buildings listed on the page. Other significant, old schools have longer articles about their iconic architecture, and such expanded treatment is OK with me - I do NOT think it is unnecessary page bloat. While one of the buildings (East) has been re-purposed, the West building was architecturally significant enough to warrant brick-by-brick disassembly, then re-assembly as part of the new Physics building. One of the references now shows this painstaking process. I think your concern is notability, not that the stations existed or their early buildings exist. The references are clear that we have the correct buildings. The agricultural experiment function has apparently moved further out of town as the urban area encroached. I am not an alumnus, and do not have enough background to write a separate page for the Ag Station. But I hope someone may. It has had a dozen directors as a semi-independent research mission over the years. I've found a number of pages that have red-linked to it, and watched as some of these were edited out over the years. But some persist, in expectation that the AES deserves a page (or my simple redirect). Thus I think it is reasonable to keep the redirect. Jax MN (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Jax MN makes a fine and compelling case as to why we should have an article about the AES, but redirecting the name without any mention of it is only going to confuse and disappoint readers. --BDD (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::I have just added text to the target article to satisfy these concerns. Jax MN (talk) 02:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 12:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
::Note, the improved language is available here, which should now be the REDIRECT target. Jax MN (talk) 18:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The added text is sufficient for me. I've tagged with {{t|R with possibilities}}. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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