. All are implausible redirects with regards to New York, and Westchester (West Chester) is an actual borough from another state. Jay (talk) 18:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Westchester Borough, New York }} → :Westchester County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough, New York closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough, New York closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough, New York|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough, New York closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Nassau Borough, New York }} → :Nassau County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough, New York closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough, New York closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough, New York|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough, New York closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Suffolk Borough, New York }} → :Suffolk County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough, New York closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough, New York|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough, New York closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough, New York|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough, New York closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Westchester Borough }} → :Westchester County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Westchester Borough|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Westchester Borough closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Nassau Borough }} → :Nassau County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nassau Borough|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nassau Borough closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Suffolk Borough }} → :Suffolk County, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Suffolk Borough|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Suffolk Borough closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
Implausible redirect; there is no borough named "Westchester", "Nassau" or "Suffolk" in New York state. Per Borough (United States), the only boroughs in New York state are the boroughs of New York City. Epicgenius (talk) 23:28, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - I disagree that these are implausible. Given their proximity to NY City, I think it is highly plausible for someone to mistake these counties for boroughs of the city, especially given Westchester and Nassau contain parts of the Metropolitan area of the city. A7V2 (talk) 08:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- :They are implausible because people searching for them will generally look for "Westchester, New York", "Nassau, New York", or "Suffolk, New York". Per WP:RFD#DELETE point #2, the redirects might cause confusion; they are all deliberately incorrect, so they should not be linked at all. Furthermore, they are even longer to write out than the more common terms that I just listed.
- : To refute the point that "it is highly plausible" for these search terms to be confused, these redirects have had [https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-05-25&end=2021-09-24&pages=Westchester_Borough,_New_York|Westchester_Borough|Nassau_Borough,_New_York|Nassau_Borough|Suffolk_Borough,_New_York|Suffolk_Borough 45 hits total] from May 25, when they were created, to September 26, before they were nominated for deletion. Most of these redirects have zero hits on any given day and, except for the date of their creation, none have had more than one hit on a single day. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I agree that these should not be linked to, nor was I claiming they should be. Will all people search in the way you propose? Is that a reason to exclude those who don't search in that way? Perhaps the argument holds for the three which include "New York" but I don't agree for the second three. I'm not seeing how they are confusing, and being incorrect doesn't make something confusing, given that the intended target is unambiguous. If you believe that being "deliberately incorrect" is a reason to delete a redirect perhaps you should nominate the 40,000+ redirects in :Category:Redirects from misspellings alone? A7V2 (talk) 04:15, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
::::{{tq|perhaps you should nominate the 40,000+ redirects in Category:Redirects from misspellings alone?}} - I never said I wanted to do that, nor did I indicate it was necessary. As per WP:RFD#KEEP point #2, misspellings are actually an acceptable reason to keep a redirect. That was a slippery slope argument that is irrelevant to my point. {{pb}}What I said was {{tq|the redirects might cause confusion; they are all deliberately incorrect}}, i.e. they aren't accidental misspellings or misnomers, but terms that can actually confuse people. Like Tavix says [https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=1047019716 below], the term "Westchester Borough" can be confused with West Chester, Pennsylvania, which is an actual borough with almost the same name (just a space between "West" and "Chester"). "Suffolk Borough" can be confused with boroughs of some place named Suffolk. "Nassau Borough" is the only non-confusing one, but it still is very, very unlikely to be searched or used in any form, given the lack of search results for that term and the corresponding lack of views for that redirect. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:::::I can only read what you've written, and my reading of it was the primary reason you were advocating deletion (at least in your nomination) was that they were incorrect. RFD Keep number 2 includes "by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term" as something which would reduce accidental linking and duplicate articles as well as possibly being of benefit to the browsing user. I disagree with you and Tavix that these are implausible but consensus doesn't require everyone to agree. All that said, so points you and Tavix have raised are very good ones: I would now suggest retargeting Westchester Borough to West Chester, Pennsylvania and delete Suffolk Borough as ambiguous. But when there are no ambiguity issues I don't see a reason to delete as they could be useful. A7V2 (talk) 06:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per A7V2, we do not require readers to be familiar with the intricacies of the topic before being able to find what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. For {{tl|R from incorrect name}}s, we should have some evidence of incorrect use for them to be plausible, and I'm just not seeing it. When searching for "Nassau Borough", I only get 400 hits, and the hits I thumbed through are in a list or grouping (eg: {{tq|...Nassau, Borough of Queens,...}} or [https://bmccathletics.com/news/2017/5/4/baseball-panthers-finish-regular-season-with-loss-to-nassau.aspx a sports article with Nassau vs. Borough of Manhattan]). Westchester Borough gets considerably more hits, but they related to West Chester, Pennsylvania. Suffolk has results related to Suffolk, Virginia#Boroughs and Ipswich, borough of Suffolk, England. -- Tavix (talk) 16:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. These are part of the wave of bluntly incorrect names as redirects created en masse by the same user that are being discussed below regarding train stations. oknazevad (talk) 00:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete redirects 1-3 and 5-6. They don't appear to be a reasonable spelling mistake or misnomer. Retarget redirect 4 (Westchester Borough) to West Chester, Pennsylvania, which seems to be a natural redirect because West Chester is actually a borough. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 00:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete redirects 1-3 and 5-6 and Retarget redirect 4 because the concept of "borough" is so strongly associated with New York City that few, if any, would mistake areas outside the City as "boroughs". feminist (+) 10:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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