(default to revert/unrefine). There was clear consensus in August to keep at Body of Christ, no section link, despite the lack of an explicit mention; I don't see consensus here to overturn that. Thryduulf makes a good point that a DAB may be viable here, and this close does not prevent any user from creating one. Normally a no-consensus close would mean that we keep, but, in this case, as the current target was picked in knowing defiance of the previous RfD, the default is to revert. (non-admin closure) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I do not know what this redirect is supposed to refer to. It also has capital letters which may designate an organisation which is not mentioned in the article. The expression is only alluded to once in the article ("The Body of Christ, broken in the sacred liturgy, can be seen, through charity and sharing, in the faces and persons of the most vulnerable of our brothers and sisters"), and not within the section targetted. The redirect seems too vague to do anything with it. I think therefore the redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambig There is an organisation with this exact name [https://brothersandsistersinchrist.org/] (often abbreviated "B.A.S.I.C.") who appear at first look to be non-notable, but some people associated with them are notable (e.g. Bob Warren (basketball)). Their website uses the term "Body of Christ" a couple of times in their about section in a manner that suggests it's the name of something specific, but I don't know what. Uncapitalised, "Brothers and sisters in Christ" appears to be a term meaning "fellow Christians" or possibly "fellow active Christians", and this is the meaning that I think is intended at Christian fraternity#Concepts. Complicating matters further, there are multiple mentions of "The Christadelphians (Brothers and Sisters in Christ)", but it is not mentioned at the Christadelphians article at all, and Maria de Lourdes Martins Cruz#Biography mentions that "In 1989 she returned [to East Timor] to start a lay order the Brothers and Sisters in Christ." which is a different organisation to the first one which was founded in the United States in 2016. Women's Ordination Worldwide#History mentions yet another organisation - "In 2001, Ireland's Brothers and Sisters in Christ (now merged with We Are Church Ireland)...". I'm getting the impression that there is scope for a disambiguation page here, but I don't understand enough to write it. I would say that the term is primary topic for the lowercase, with a hatnote to a disambig at this capitalisation. Thryduulf (talk) 17:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Thryduulf}} the B.A.S.I.C. website probably uses capital letters at "Body of Christ" as a form of honorific, the ones used when referring to something held in high regards. Veverve (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging the participants of the previous RfD: {{ping|Rosguill|Nolicmahr|Paul_012|Shhhnotsoloud|PEIsquirrel|Hog Farm|Narky Blert|Jay|CycloneYoris}}. Thryduulf (talk) 17:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- {{ping|Nolicamaca}} - renamed since the last discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Nolicamaca's refining the redirect to point to the section eight hours after the closure of the previous RfD appears to have been in direct contradiction of the RfD result, and should at least be reverted, if no better outcome is found. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Agree with Paul that if the result is keep, {{u|Nolicamaca}}'s refining done previously should be reverted. Jay (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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:We have no other target to disambiguate with. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 11:49, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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- {{replyto|Narky Blert}} What do you mean no other target? I list multiple ones directly above your comment. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- {{ping|Narky Blert (alt)}} I have re-nominated the redirect, so invoking a previous consensus to keep the redirect is incongruous since the debate is now re-opened. Veverve (talk) 21:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- use for an article There's an actual church by that name. "Body of Christ" despite the capitals is nott he name of an organization, and I do not think it ever has been used for the name of an organization. It's part of the fundamental Christian doctrine, as capitalized as such. DGG ( talk ) 06:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|DGG}} it appears you did not proparlt format your answer. Could you fix it? Veverve (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:::done DGG ( talk ) 06:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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