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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
:The result of the discussion was delete
. As a redirect pointing incorrectly to a manual section that talks about apostrophes in acronyms. Jay (talk) 03:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Not clear why GROCER is a good shortcut for the target. If deleted, the shortcut link added at the target should be removed as well. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (as creator) - the shortcut refers to a common name for this use of punctuation, "grocer's apostrophe". Ibadibam (talk) 19:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems obvious enough to me. Grocer's (grocers'?) apostrophes are well known and the section tells us not to use them (although not by name). pburka (talk) 19:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – a most useful shortcut in edit summaries when such mistakes are corrected in articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:52, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Greengrocer’s apostrophe refers to unambiguously incorrect formulations like "2 banana's for $20". The use of apostrophes in plurals of acronyms has a different and more nuanced history. The target section of the MOS links to {{slink|Apostrophe|Abbreviations}} by way of explanation, not {{slink|Apostrophe|Superfluous apostrophes ("greengrocers' apostrophes")}}. The use of this shortcut for the target advice is likely to cause more confusion than clarity.--Trystan (talk) 13:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. It's a non-sequiter that's certainly a puzzler to some people reading Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Plural forms and seeing it as an incoming link, since per Trystan above it's a mistaken reference to the greengrocer’s apostrophe, where people get confused between plural s and possessive s, and which is an entirely different thing than deciding whether to use apostrophes for acronyms.
:The so-called greengrocers apostrophe ("apostrophe's" etc as a plural) is simply a basic grammatical error and needs no rule and no redirect, anymore than other simple errors such as "sheeps" or "thruway" or "got arrested" etc. need rules and redirects. You just correct them.
:The redirect is also vaguely insulting by the way. I still do a little mental stutter-step when writing "its" vs "it's". Sometimes I might get it wrong. I would be proud to be thereby mistaken for a grocer (an honorable and necessary profession), but actual grocers might not take so well to being used as a metaphor for illiteracy. Herostratus (talk) 13:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. That specific portion of the MOS refers to plurals of abbreviations, which are not greengrocers' apostrophes. Per Trystan above, apostrophes in plurals of abbreviations differ from apostrophes in plurals of typical nouns. eviolite (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete It appears that this creation was based on a misunderstanding on what a grocer's apostrophe actually is. ValarianB (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment since there is disagreement as to whether "grocer's apostrophe" is semantically correct here, can we get consensus to move this shortcut? Maybe MOS:ACROPLURAL or MOS:PLURALACRO? Ibadibam (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, see WP:MOVEREDIRECT. However, if you think those shortcuts would be helpful, you are welcome to create them. -- Tavix (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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