Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 13#Danny Woodrow

• {{Rfd2/-r|Penis cola}} → :Peniscola  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Penis cola|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Penis cola closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Penis cola|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Penis cola closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Penis cola|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Penis cola closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Useless and highly unlikely redirect Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Somewhat reluctant weak keep. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Penis+cola%22 Google results] ([https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Penis+cola%22+-sex+-porn alt with sex links filtered out]) show that, while many usages of this phrase are in dirty jokes (some related to Peniscola, some coincidental), there is some apparently legitimate confusion [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lobster-Penis-Spain-78858825-canvas/dp/B018XWCBIA] [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Penis-Cola-Andre-Duret-multicoloured/dp/B00S2G2V8S] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreenroom/311456753] [https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/22542373?source_impression_id=p3_1647191086_8MlPg3h%2BaZqXzzqX], and this is generally a plausible mishearing for someone hearing the name "Peniscola" aloud, especially if it's being pronounced by a non-Spanish speaker. However, some usage of the phrase seems to be in mocking reference of Pensacola, Florida, rather than Peniscola, Spain [https://www.instagram.com/p/BuVrnhOAaX4/?hl=en] [https://ifunny.co/picture/penis-cola-be-on-some-shit-s3wear-tv-weather-watch-iBn1nbcg8], decreasing the search utility here. Although Peniscola already does have a hatnote to its Floridian soundalike (fun fact: etymologically unrelated despite the latter having been colonized by the Spanish). -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 17:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep as {{tl|R from incorrect spacing}} (rcat that presently redirects to {{tl|R from misspelling}}) per Tamzin's analysis. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - per Tamzin. Seems like a reasonable search term given that the name is (coincidentally) made up of two English words. A7V2 (talk) 22:41, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|Indie jazz}} → :Really From  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Indie jazz|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Indie jazz closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Indie jazz|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Indie jazz closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Indie jazz|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Indie jazz closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The label of "indie jazz" does not appear to be unique to Really From, with [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41699812?casa_token=2A3vsy6IJRYAAAAA%3ANtkJij-Z92xMgajWqV475VVpn8JqWtPwoQgjtfV5AeC3FufcsfUU_hnpx8OPHuAbiXzQI6v8BsNezNaitzbkAxhHbPrXtDCjHhWNjgz5Gui7Mv3V-UQQ&seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents one source] describing and indie jazz scene in Chicago and additional print sources covering the genre, such as Ross, Jon. "Kickstarter Becomes Crucial Funding Source For Indie Jazz Projects." DOWN BEAT 78.5 (2011): 14-14. While I'm uncertain whether there's enough coverage to write a standalone article about indie jazz, I think that it's misleading to have the redirect point to a single band when there is clearly RS coverage of other groups in this genre. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

:*Comment: If there is enough sources to turn indie (rock) jazz into an article, then I propose it should be done and the redirect removed.Moline1 (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

::*Well, the issue is that it's not currently clear if there's enough for the genre to have an article, but there are enough sources to establish that the term does not unambiguously refer to Really From's oeuvre. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|ŘČS}} → :Czechoslovakia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:ŘČS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#ŘČS closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:ŘČS|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#ŘČS closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:ŘČS|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#ŘČS closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Redirect from nonexistent acronym. The name "republika československa", apparently in use from 1918 to 1920 and meaning "republic of Czechoslovakia", could be abbreviated RČS but never ŘČS. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and 61 all-time page views - not a plausible misspelling. eviolite (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|DXJJ}} → :Bombo Radyo Philippines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:DXJJ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#DXJJ closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:DXJJ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#DXJJ closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:DXJJ|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#DXJJ closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at the target, an internet search did not turn up any information connecting this call sign to the target radio network. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete can't find anything on this station either. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|Angelic Pope}} → :Pope Peter II  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Angelic Pope|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Angelic Pope closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Angelic Pope|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Angelic Pope closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Angelic Pope|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Angelic Pope closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The Angelic Pope figure and the name Peter II are unrelated. Furthermore, there is no mention of "Angelic Pope" at the target.

The Angelic pope "appears in medieval apocalyptic literature as one who will inaugurate a new Church and a new world, of perfect sanctity" ([https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095413808 source]).

I think this redirect should be deleted, as it is misleading and per WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete to encourage article creation. This prophecy seems to be associated with Joachim of Fiore. Maybe a future article can be made for this figure. --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|Talkquote}} → :Template:Talk quote block  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Talkquote|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Talkquote closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Talkquote|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Talkquote closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Talkquote|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Talkquote closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The mainspace and the rest of Wikipedia should be kept separated as much as possible. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 10:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. {{-r|Template:Talkquote}} exists, meaning that to use this redirect in a template one would have to type an extra character (a leading colon) to achieve the same result. Meanwhile this isn't the kind of content template or even major project template that it might make sense to point people to. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. No reason for this cross namespace redirect. Gonnym (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete this unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|Iocane}} → :The Princess Bride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Iocane|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Iocane|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Iocane|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
• {{Rfd2/-r|Iocane powder}} → :The Princess Bride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Iocane powder|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane powder closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Iocane powder|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane powder closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Iocane powder|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Iocane powder closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I'd like to request two things:

1. Clarification. The target page does not mention "iocane", so it's unclear why the redirects occur.
2. Avoid redirecting to a disambiguation page.

Context: I came across the term "iocane" on the WWW and assumed that it was a chemical; looking it up on Wikipedia I was instead redirected to The Princess Bride. Presumably the term "iocane" is connected to this book/movie, but the connection remains unclear.

I generally feel that if a redirect occurs the target page should at least mention the redirected term. Thanks, 188.108.215.90 (talk) 08:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. + WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 09:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget to The Princess Bride (novel), which mentions the substance. (The Princess Bride (film) does not.) See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iocaine and the RFD for the misspelled version, Iocaine. - Eureka Lott 17:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget both to The Princess Bride (novel)#Plot where it is mentioned, to make consistent with Iocaine. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Tax the rich }} → :Progressive tax  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Tax the rich|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Tax the rich closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Tax the rich|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Tax the rich closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Tax the rich|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Tax the rich closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Possibly NPOV as a rallying cry in american politics - I don't think it strictly meets CSD3, and I can't PROD, so here you guys go. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, mentioned at target. Whether it's POV or not doesn't matter. 114.125.94.129 (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment, I think the political slogan has received enough attention to warrant a section (just look at the articles about AOCs Met gala dress), made the redirect after noticing it didn't exist yet and this article seemed like the best fit. Will probably expand it later. jonas (talk) 14:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL. Even though the redirect's title is POV, the article redirects to a more neutral title. Also, the slogan itself may be notable, and could be expanded into an article, per Jonas1015119.2601:647:5800:1A1F:3D52:22A2:17BC:5FC (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• DABify. There are a number of very similar proposals that tax the rich, but this slogan is not exclusively used in the context of a vague progressive tax. The slogan has been used in advocacy for a Financial transaction tax and is eerily similar to the Soak The Rich slogan, which redirects to a different location. “Tax the rich” is also used in contexts that don’t relate to the concept of a progressive tax—in the USA, the term [https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/taxes/articles/what-it-really-means-to-tax-the-rich is used] in some circumstances to advocate for stricter enforcement of tax evasion laws, which is a different concept entirely than a progressive tax in and of itself. The redirect could also be used to point to wealth tax, which seems to be at least one concrete way in which the slogan is consistently used. Dabification would be the most prudent thing to do, since the slogan appears in multiple contexts and there is no one primary use thereof. — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, as "Tax the Rich" is a motto for the progressive taxing movement, and is a very plausible searh term. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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• DABify per Mhawk10. Veverve (talk) 09:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. All taxes or tax proposals that this could reference are progressive taxes, and disambiguation could never be exhaustive. Unless there is something like List of progressive taxes or similar, the target seems appropriate, and anyone searching the term will find at least some relevant information. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems like the most plausible target until someone expands it into a standalone article. The problem with the DAB idea, in my view, is that it approaches just that: a standalone article about the slogan. JBchrch talk 04:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

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• {{Rfd2/-r|Draft:Hit ratio}} → :Hit ratio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Draft:Hit ratio|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Hit ratio closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Hit ratio|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Hit ratio closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Hit ratio|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Hit ratio closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Double redirect created from a page move, should be deleted —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 04:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per the spirit of G7. {{tq|For redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move.}} That's technically not met here, since others had contributed to the redirect at {{-r|Hit ratio}} before you turned it into a draft, changed your mind, and moved it back to mainspace... but the spirit of "the only substantive contributor" is clearly met. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, short-lived draft that didn't serve its purpose. Jay (talk) 06:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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