to Gender-related violence. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Gender violence }} → :Violence against women (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender_violence&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2022-08-22&end=2022-09-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gender_violence stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gender violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender violence closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gender violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender violence closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gender violence|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender violence closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Gender-based violence }} → :Violence against women (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender-based_violence&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2022-08-22&end=2022-09-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gender-based_violence stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gender-based violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender-based violence closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gender-based violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender-based violence closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gender-based violence|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gender-based violence closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- {{no redirect|1 = Gendered violence }} → :Violence against women (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gendered_violence&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2022-08-22&end=2022-09-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gendered_violence stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gendered violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gendered violence closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gendered violence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gendered violence closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gendered violence|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gendered violence closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
{{old rfd list|Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_21#Gender_violence|no consensus}}
Gender violence also includes Violence against men and Violence against LGBT people. Current redirections violate WP:NPOV. Sharouser (talk) Sharouser (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- I've added {{t|old rfd list}} noting the prior discussion, but {{u|Sharouser}} you should really have done that yourself as the editor listing this discussion, or at least indicated the content of the past discussion in your opening statement. signed, Rosguill talk 01:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry for the mistake. I didn't know about the template {{t|old rfd list}} Sharouser (talk) 01:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep unchanged. As I said the last time OP made this nomination over a year ago, this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and should be kept to avoid WP:FALSEBALANCE. The idea that violence against LGBT people is gender-based violence, per se, rather than its own type, appears to be WP:Original research. Indeed, the vast majority of LGBT people are men or women; implying that is a separate gender seems rather sketchy. Most important, though, is what the most reliable sources say, and here is what Google Scholar turns up: {{tq|1. Extent and nature of the problem - Gender-based violence includes a host of harmful behaviors that are directed at women and girls because of their sex, including...}} [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mary_Ellsberg/publication/11038601_A_global_overview_of_gender-based_violence/links/5a903f8ca6fdccecff01eb67/A-global-overview-of-gender-based-violence.pdf] {{tq|In 1993, the United Nations General Assembly defined violence against women as “any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women” (United Nations, 1993). The United Nations referred to “gender-based” violence to acknowledge that such violence is rooted in gender inequality and is often tolerated and condoned by laws, institutions and community norms; it is not only a manifestation of gender-inequality, but often serves to enforce it (Heise, Ellsberg and Gottemoeller, 1999). Gender-based violence comes in many forms throughout the life cycle; this review focuses on the two most common types: physical intimate partner violence and sexual violence against women by any perpetrator.}} ([https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/8210/wps3618.pdf 2005 review]) {{tq|Primary prevention programs address the underlying attitudes, norms, and behaviors that support GBV. The ultimate goals are to end violence, empower women and girls, and promote nonviolent, equitable, and respectful relationships.}} [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1077801218815778] [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7262171/ This] 2020 paper uses the term and is about violence against women. Again and again Google Scholar shows that the term is specifically about violence against women and girls. One quote above shows why - it's rooted in systemic gender inequality. The sources are clear and we must follow them. Crossroads -talk- 02:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- :None of those quotes actually do show that, they all say that gender-based violence includes violence against women and/or that violence against women is an example of gender-based violence. Thryduulf (talk) 03:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Disambig (second choice add a hatnote to a disambig), because while violence against women is one of the most prevalent expressions of gender-based violence, women are far from the only victims and increasingly many organisations and journal articles do not confine the term to just women. For example:
- "Long before Covid-19, women, girls, trans and non-binary people were already facing an equally devastating but largely ignored pandemic." -[https://www.oxfam.org/en/ending-gender-based-violence-possible Oxfam]
- "Gender based violence (GBV) is [...] committed primarily but not exclusively against women by men." -[https://www.healthscotland.scot/health-topics/gender-based-violence/gender-based-violence-overview/overview-of-gender-based-violence Public Health Scotland]
- "GBV is violence directed against a person because of that person's gender or violence that affects persons of a particular gender disproportionately. [...] It can include violence against women, domestic violence against women, men or children living in the same domestic unit." [https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/gender-equality/gender-based-violence/what-gender-based-violence_en European Union]
- "Gender-based violence is violence directed against a person because of their gender. Both women and men experience gender-based violence but the majority of victims are women and girls." [https://eige.europa.eu/gender-based-violence/what-is-gender-based-violence European Institute for Gender Equality]
- "Gender-based violence (GBV) is an umbrella term for any harm that is perpetrated against a person’s will and that results from power inequalities based on gender roles." [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1524838018757749 Wirtz, A. 2018] 'Gender-Based Violence Against Transgender People in the United States: A Call for Research and Programming'
- "While initially focused primarily on men’s violence against women (VAW) [...] the definitions of GBV used by different governments and organisations have expanded to include violence against the LGBTQIA+ community, and sometimes violence against men. [...] many groups who also experience GBV, often at higher rates than the cis-gendered women who are traditionally seen as its victims or survivors." [https://www.lectitopublishing.nl/download/complete-issue-9756.pdf#page=129 Graaf, K. 2021] 'The Implications of a Narrow Understanding of Gender-Based Violence'.
- :Nobody is arguing that women are not the only victims of GBV, just that GBV does not exclusively refer to violence against women by men, indeed one journal article focused in part on gender-based violence among men who have sex with men (not quoted above as the definition is not included in the freely-available part). Thryduulf (talk) 03:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- : {{re|Thryduulf}} this is not an appropriate title for disambiguation, as the proposed topics are not unrelated. Now, if there was a notable album titled Gender Violence, or a TV episode or the like, then we would have actual title ambiguity. What you are looking for here is a WP:BROADCONCEPT article on the general subject of violence motivated by gender. BD2412 T 05:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- ::Whatever it is technically, there should be a page that performs the function of linking to all our articles about specific types of gender-based violence. I don't mind if that's a disambig, a set-index, broad concept article, a list or something else. Please take my "disambig" !vote as a reference to any of those. Thryduulf (talk) 09:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep unchanged. Examining sources in the violence against women article and more generally, "gender-based violence" is used as a synonym for "violence against women" in particular. The violence is disproportionately directed against them. Originoa (talk) 06:28, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gender-related violence, which Thryduulf created based on a draft we wrote together in the previous RfD, per his arguments above and his and my arguments last year. This redirect currently does not point where most readers would expect it to. If there's a desire for that DAB page to be a broad-concept article instead, it can be tagged with {{tl|Broad-concept article}}, but the perfect is the enemy of the good. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- :I'd forgotten I created that, it is indeed the ideal target for these redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to gender-related violence -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 04:14, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:
{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
