Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Davenbelle#Jack Merridew

{{rfcu box|case=Davenbelle|filed=17:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)}}

• {{checkuser|Davenbelle}} _{[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=23896819&oldid=23895112 source]}

;Confirmed sockpuppets

• {{checkuser|Moby Dick}} _source
• {{checkuser|Diyarbakir}} _source

;Suspected sockpuppets

• {{checkuser|Jack Merridew}}

• Code letter: B
• Supporting evidence:

While I am aware of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FEpisodes_and_characters_2%2FWorkshop&diff=192156779&oldid=192155764#Indefinite_block_of_Jack_Merridew the result] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FEpisodes_and_characters_2%2FWorkshop&diff=192398275&oldid=192379595#Indefinite_block_of_Jack_Merridew]) of this case. The case got rather complicated and checuser info is getting lost in the colossal workshop. Per the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitration&diff=199202532&oldid=199193198 request] of arbcom the issue is now in front of WP:SSP at which I would like to be able to link to a clean checkuser case.

It may be best to let Dmcdevit process this.

-- Cat ^chi? 17:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

:Can someone else close this because Dmcdevit seems to be too busy. -- Cat ^chi? 17:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

::Sorry, I've been out of town. As noted, Merridew and Davenbelle share the same city (in the Third World, with fewer editors) but are on different ISPs. Now, in the amount of time between the last check and this, there are several ways that ne person's ISP counld have changed, but this is not conclusive based on CheckUser alone, it's on the {{likely}} side of {{possible}}. ;-) Dmcdevit·t 19:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Would it be possible for us to learn how many ips from Bali, Indonesia region edits English wikipedia? How many of those are in the IP range of Moby Dick and how many are in the IP range of Jack Merridew? Assuming neither user was on a dynamic range this may be helpful in identifying other sockpuppets or sockpuppet candidates. -- Cat ^chi? 13:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

::::It would be nearly impossible to give an idea of the numbers of editors from a region. Even if I could track down every ISP and IP range specific to the city and check them all (and that's not including the likely public terminals, hotspots, etc.), which I couldn't, it wouldn't mean much because there would be no reference point. What I can say, however, is that neither of the IP ranges used by Merridew or the old Davebelle sockpuppets has any appreciable traffic on them at all besides those editors, so sockpuppets are unlikely to be found that way. Dmcdevit·t 23:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

:From Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Diyarbakir

{{rfcu box|case=Diyarbakir|filed=12:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)}}

• {{checkuser|Diyarbakir}}

• {{checkuser|Xebat}}
• {{checkuser|Moby Dick}}

• Code letter: B

• Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Aucaman#Xebat_banned - Possible evasion of block
• Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Moby_Dick#Moby_Dick_banned_from_certain_articles - Possible evasion of remedy

Although both users are probably too old to check, their checkuser data should have been preserved after the RfArs. Although I feel the user is borderlining disruptive "throwaway" account used only for a few edits with less than 100 "professional" edits, a consensus was not reached to this end: Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard#Diyarbakir and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=126572838#Diyarbakir Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Diyarbakir].

Additional evidence:

• (Main) namespace
• Edits concerning a "BBC news link" in an article
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=80382569 03:59, 9 October 2006] 3rd edit of User:Diyarbakir adding the news article
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan&diff=80144316&oldid=80137139 21:24, 7 October 2006] My edit removing the irrelevant news article
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=13172130 05:03, 3 May 2005] An edit of User:Davenbelle (aka User:Moby Dick as per RFAR#Moby Dick is Davenbelle)
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=13171944 03:29, 3 May 2005] My edit removing the irrelevant news article Stereotek added.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan&diff=12926266&oldid=12896565 14:45, 27 April 2005] An edit of User:Stereotek (aka User:Karl Meier - User changed usernames. (Davenbelle and Stereotek rfar)) who originally added the BBC news article.
• Edits concerning Image:Diyarbakır_Turkey_Provinces_locator.jpg
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Diyarbak%C4%B1r_Province&diff=prev&oldid=106279219 05:13, 7 February 2007] 33rd edit of User:Diyarbakir complaining the "absence" of the image
• At the time Diyarbakir was complaining the image on commons was named Image:Diyarbakir_Turkey_Provinces_locator.jpg and was very recently renamed to the dotless i (ı) version so there was a red link back then.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diyarbak%C4%B1r_Province&diff=51482873&oldid=51391106 00:18, 4 May 2006] An edit by User:Moby Dick concerning the image
• Edits concerning Diyarbakır Province
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diyarbak%C4%B1r_Province&diff=prev&oldid=77883819 05:59, 26 September 2006] 2nd edit of User:Diyarbakir adding :Category:Kurdistan
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diyarbak%C4%B1r_Province&diff=63908952&oldid=63594538 00:00, 15 July 2006] An edit by User:Moby Dick "restoring" :Category:Kurdistan
• Other edit
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk%3AKurdistan%2FArchive_1&diff=105558232&oldid=105031716 07:36, 4 February 2007] 17th edit of User:Diyarbakir User moves the archive page (a page I archived) to fix spelling.
• Wikipedia/Wikipedia talk namespace
• CfD participation. To this date user participated in only 3 of them - all initiated by me
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_8&diff=prev&oldid=121674837 08:58, 10 April 2007] An edit of User:Diyarbakir voting on a cfd I initiated
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_9&diff=prev&oldid=107036943 02:50, 10 February 2007] 49th edit of User:Diyarbakir voting on a cfd I initiated
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_11&diff=prev&oldid=100186977 03:50, 12 January 2007] 8th edit of User:Diyarbakir voting on a cfd I initiated
• Other votes (User was "invited" to the wikiproject before the following edits)
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kurdistan/Participants&diff=prev&oldid=121410493 07:55, 9 April 2007] User:Diyarbakir adds himself to Wikipedia:WikiProject Kurdistan/Participants
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=121410689 07:56, 9 April 2007] User:Diyarbakir votes on the rename nom of the Kurdistan wikiproject I initiated and is users first and last edit on "Wikipedia talk" namespace.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=121411192 08:00, 9 April 2007] User:Diyarbakir votes on Portal:Kurdistan mfd that I initiated
• Category namespace edits.
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Kurdish_people&diff=prev&oldid=125152443 07:27, 23 April 2007] User:Diyarbakir reverts my removal of the Wikiproject Kurdistan template
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AKurdistan&diff=121413268&oldid=120710989 08:13, 9 April 2007] User:Diyarbakir adds a map of Kurdish inhabited region after I removed a similar one

Overall the user made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?offset=&limit=100&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Diyarbakir&namespace=4 no edits on wikipedia/wikipedia talk name space that isn't 'concerning me'] (his edits came after mine) even though he demonstrates he knows how to get around with his 10th edit. User made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?offset=&limit=100&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Diyarbakir&namespace=14 no edits on category namespace that are not contradicting my edits]. He may have completely opposite views, this shouldn't prevent him in making edits that are not contradicting my edits specifically. Individually most/all these edits are sane but collectively I feel they fall under WP:HA which would follow the edit pattern of User:Moby Dick.

I suspect a Moby Dick sockpuppet more but it could also be Xebat or half a dozen other such banned/disruptive users.

-- Cat ^chi? 12:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:Xebat is very stale, and I don't know of any records (or don't have them myself). However, {{confirmed}} that Diyarbakir = Moby Dick. Dmcdevit·t 21:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Moby Dick

• {{user|Moby Dick}}
• {{user|Davenbelle}}

Since a checkuser for Davenbelle is not possible (as davenbelle last edited on early december) and as per the evidence at WP:ANB/I#Sock_investigation I'd like to request a CheckUser to establish weather or not Moby Dick is editing from a +8 UTC country or better if from bali (assuming this does not violate privacy issues). Thanks. Cat out 07:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

20px Checkuser is not for fishing. See above: You must lay out clearly the evidence for sockpuppetry. You must explain how your request fits the policy above. Checkuser is not used to confirm "gut feelings" or curiosity; it is only used for cases where there is strong evidence of a connection and a serious matter of policy violation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Essjay (talk • contribs) {{{2|}}}.

:Clearly the evidence for sockpuppetry is avalible at ANB/I. The evidence pretty much convinced Administrator MONGO.

::I have reviewed the evidence posted and have discussed this matter with one other editor and I see a preponderance of evidence that indicates that not only has Moby Dick wikistalked User:Cool Cat, but User:MegamanZero as well, and that Moby Dick is a sockpuppet of Davenbelle.--MONGO 09:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

:Other admins such as Bishonen and Tony Sidaway believe it is more than likely... I do not want to copy paste entier ani discussion so as not to clutter here unless you request otherwise. The section titled "Moby Dick" on ANB/I has plenty of evidence.

:Since a checkuser to compare Davenbelle and Moby Dick is not possible I have to rely on circumstencial evidence and establishing Time Zone is one of them.

:--Cat out 23:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

::Seconded. I realize it's not entirely clear from Cool Cat's request, but if Moby Dick is Davenbelle, it is a matter of serious policy violation. Please see the remedy passed in Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Coolcat%2C_Davenbelle_and_Stereotek, or, simpler, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=54209536&oldid=54209335 this summary and warning] of Moby Dick by User:Tony Sidaway. Even if it sounds like fishing, I think this is a case where it would be appropriate to look for any sockpuppets or sock-siblings of Moby Dick himself, if that's technically possible. Bishonen | talk 00:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

:I get that it's violation of an AC decision if it's Davanbelle, but really, what do you expect? The best I can provide is "He's editing from an IP that is registered somewhere in one of these 20 countries, inhabited by 100 million people. Yes, Davanbelle could be in there somewhere." We can't do identification based on perceved location; if we did that, everybody on the site would be the sockpuppet of a thousand other people.

:At this point, the best I can offer is for you to take the issue back to the Arbitration Committee; the vast majority of the checkusers on this project are AC members, and they can do the check and come to thier own conclusions. I'm just not comfortable putting people's IPs out there unless it is 100% clear that the privacy policy allows it, and I'm not going to be responsible for saying "He's somewhere within 1000 miles of the suspect" and have that turned into a conviction. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::True and you are right. But triangulating the suspect in a 1000 mile area would be usefull circumstancial evidence for this case. I can only gather circumstancial evidence as we cant checkuser davenbelle for reasons that has been discussed to death. You can just tell us country or timezone rather than an the IP list for now. The ip list will require some sort of aproval as per privacy policy... --Cat out 10:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Moby Dick

• {{User|Davenbelle}}
• {{User|Moby Dick}}

A detailed evidence is avalible at: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Moby_Dick_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29]

There is an arbitration case involving this user which states that he was stalking me: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Coolcat%2C_Davenbelle_and_Stereotek

--Cat out 19:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

{{Inconclusive}}; Davenbelle hasn't edited in months, there are no records to compare. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 05:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::I already provided you with the records. He is making exact same edits from a new account in hopes of avoiding his arbitration remidies. There are over 10 similar edits. --Cat out 06:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:We compare IP records. There are no IP records for Davenbelle. If you want someone to agree with you that the two have similar editing patters, bring it up on ANI; this is only for requesting technical investigations. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 06:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::I already posted it to ANI. Thats where the link I provided leads to. I see... Thanks. I'll try to dig up the IP's myself then (he did edit as an annon on occasions but he was supposively taking a trip at the time so that may also be inconclusive.) --Cat out 07:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

: Allegation Denied. User:Cool Cat is attempting to entangle me in his arbitration case. --Moby 10:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::Please do not format your comments in a way that represents them as an authoritative finding; the result is inconclusive. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 11:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::: Understood. It was unintended. --Moby 11:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC) (re: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_CheckUser&diff=52641630&oldid=52638325 bold text])

Edits of User:80.202.25.17 show striking resemblance with User:80.203.115.12 as well as User:Davenbelle see: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Il%C4%B1su_Dam_Campaign&action=history]. I suspect him of being davenbelle logged off paceing up his stalking campaign slowly although NOTHING remotely colse to what I am used to. It may also be a genuine edit, I just want to rule it out. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 22:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:80.202.25.17 and 80.203.115.12 are in the same dynamic subrange (80.202.16.0 - 80.202.122.255 allocated to Nextgentel Norway) so they could easily be the same editor without any sockpuppetry being involved. Davenbelle has no edits since December 5th, so even if I felt a CheckUser were in order, and I'm not sure that it is, there'd likely be no evidence to investigate. Kelly Martin (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• {{User|D73733C8-CC80-11D0-B225-00C04FB6C2F5}} oddly created username used strictly to fix/edit user:Davenbelles userpage and user talk page. Although has not done anything else. I just want to make sure if this is a genuine user or not. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::Request denied due to lack of evidence of policy violation. Kelly Martin (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

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