Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tom Sayle

{{Likely}} Re: this last one. Note to other admins, the editor may be trying to get back into enwiki through SUL from other wikis (including commons). Please contact Lar or me if necessary. -- Avi (talk) 02:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• Note from ACC Recently (within the last month) we have received multiple requests through ACC for accounts from one of the listed IPs as well as others under Tom Sayle rangeblocks (omitted for privacy), so the user may be trying to circumvent the system using ACC as well as SUL. Contact me if necessary. --Terrillja _talk 07:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• {{checkuser|Just Plain Brittish}}
• {{checkuser|Mrs. U. I. O. P., Mr. O'. de la Qwerty}} (already blocked, included for comparison)
• {{checkip|79.73.54.44}}

• Code letter: F

• Supporting evidence: as per usual; correcting spelling of other users on talk pages/editing or refactoring comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PeterSymonds&curid=3342426&diff=250669842&oldid=250655755],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:64.230.92.23&diff=prev&oldid=250632064],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soulscanner&diff=prev&oldid=250476962]
• idiosyncratic editing of policy pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Don%27t_template_the_regulars&diff=prev&oldid=250671014] (adding link to policy [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Do_template_the_regulars&action=history edited 4 times by confirmed socks]) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Responding_to_threats_of_harm&diff=prev&oldid=250662418], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry/Notes_for_the_suspect&diff=prev&oldid=250523592 editing page last edited by another confirmed sock of his]
• seems to be doing the usual outing of self [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roux&diff=prev&oldid=250654335], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Rosoft&diff=prev&oldid=250654598]
• idiosyncratic 'tidying' of various user pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:David_Q.A._Pritchard&diff=prev&oldid=250672703],

::(in fact, may want to check userpages edited, as this puppeteer has a history of talking to self via other socks)

• creation of redirects [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=U._Stephens&diff=prev&oldid=250403975], standard behaviour for this sock

[roux » x] 18:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

{{Confirmed-nc}}

1. {{checkuser|Just Plain Brittish}}
2. {{checkuser|Brittish incompetance}}

Once again, a small range and a big range. The small range is {{IPblock}} for now. -- Avi (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:{{clerknote}} blocked and tagged already. -- lucasbfr ^talk 22:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• {{checkuser|O'delanca}} (Already blocked by Lar)

• Code letter: F

• Supporting evidence: as per usual; idiosyncratic enforcement of WP rules; creation of user subpages (e.g /Chess and User_talk/chess); editing of policies; etc. Already blocked, but I filed this so the rest of the current sockfarm can be rooted out. Can we do something more permanent? [ roux ] [x] 19:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• {{Confirmed}} Technical and behavioral evidence indicates that the following account is a sockpuppet of Tom Sayle:
• {{checkuser|O'delanca}}
• As for the farm, this is a highly dynamic system. Last time I checked >65K IPs, this time over 100K. The last sweep caught almost all of them. There is a small range that is different from the standard, and that is being hardblocked, but to hardblock >110K IPs because of this puppeteer is a bit much. So the small range is {{IPblock}} and the large one will require vigilance, I'm afraid. -- Avi (talk) 19:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• {{clerknote}} Blocked & Tagged. Tiptoety ^talk 20:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}} (incl as puppeteer)
• {{checkuser|1=Supersonic Pokémon}}
• {{checkip|1=79.73.5.12}}
• {{checkip|1=79.74.45.225}}
• {{checkuser|1=Supersoniquizard}} (openly admitted)
• {{checkuser|1=Stereotyper}}

• Code letter: F, G

• Supporting evidence:

:*Same behaviour; welcoming self on talk page, awarding self barnstars and awards, notification of having Asperger's, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiPint&diff=prev&oldid=247804337 editing some] of the same articles/templates as User:Thomas Sales in the same way.

:*Appears to confirm previous identities [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Roux&diff=cur here]

:*Admits to IP vandalism [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Supersonic_Pok%C3%A9mon&curid=19933750&diff=247810517&oldid=247810097 here]

:*Confirms all sockpuppets mentioned in this case in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Supersonic_Pok%C3%A9mon&curid=19933750&diff=248595698&oldid=248012918 this] unblock request.

:*This is all copied from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Tom_Sayle_(4) SSP].

[ roux ] [x] 21:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:{{confirmed}} {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}} = {{checkuser|Supersonic Pokémon}} = {{checkuser|Supersoniquizard}} = {{checkuser|Stereotyper}} = both IPs. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:{{clerknote}} Named accounts blocked & tagged. Tiptoety ^talk 04:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• {{checkuser|Mr. SvMvP}}
• {{checkuser|Mr. Templatedtalkpagediter}}

::*This one redirs to User:Mr. SvMvP

• These last two are already banned as puppets of {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}}

:* {{checkuser|Disliker of humanities}}

:* {{checkuser|Mathematiquizard}}

• Known IPs used:

:{{checkip|1=79.73.93.44}}

:{{checkip|1=79.74.63.15}}

:{{checkip|1=79.74.0.15}}

:{{checkip|1=79.74.8.46}}

• Code letter: G

• Supporting evidence:

Same MO; same age; welcoming self on talk page; shows a far greater knowledge of WP than would be expected from a brand-new account from a 13-year-old kid. Compare userpage with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mathematiquizard&oldid=246130152 this]; compare reactions at WP:SSP ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Tom_Sayle_(3)]) with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mathematiquizard&oldid=246272779] (see unblock requests).

Was referred here by User:Scarian, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Tom_Sayle_(3)&curid=19907815&diff=247224595&oldid=247223685]. [ roux ] [x] 19:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll find they appear to be blocked as puppets, not banned.--Mr. SvMvP (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mr._SvMvP&curid=19891309&diff=247231623&oldid=247222289 This] may also be useful (spamming unblock requests), as well as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mr._SvMvP&curid=19891309&diff=247232108&oldid=247231623 this], where he courteously provides us with his IP; 79.74.8.46 (added above). [ roux ] [x] 19:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

{{Confirmed}} Technical and behavioral evidence available at this time indicates that the following editors are related to each other. There will likely be overlap with :Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Tom Sayle:

1. {{checkuser|Æconomique}}
2. {{checkuser|AmyW1}}
3. {{checkuser|André Ó'déłámóñtŕágñéáúxtéíxtéíŕá}}
4. {{checkuser|Andy Bjornovich}}
5. {{checkuser|CaRainford}}
6. {{checkuser|CFrancisW}}
7. {{checkuser|Chris Wattson}}
8. {{checkuser|Disliker of humanities}}
9. {{checkuser|DrJessW}}
10. {{checkuser|EKGFW}}
11. {{checkuser|FeWo}}
12. {{checkuser|FQz}}
13. {{checkuser|HeCaFo}}
14. {{checkuser|JDJL}}
15. {{checkuser|KaMans}}
16. {{checkuser|KatJack}}
17. {{checkuser|KBrownY}}
18. {{checkuser|LExperazzard}}
19. {{checkuser|Mai Lee1}}
20. {{checkuser|Mariadomican}}
21. {{checkuser|Mathematiquizard}}
22. {{checkuser|Mike Sales}}
23. {{checkuser|Mr. Opensockpuppeter}}
24. {{checkuser|Mr. Secondattempt}}
25. {{checkuser|Mr. SvMvP}}
26. {{checkuser|Mr. Templatedtalkpagediter}}
27. {{checkuser|OttisF}}
28. {{checkuser|RosiSay}}
29. {{checkuser|RRobinson1}}
30. {{checkuser|SeWa2}}
31. {{checkuser|ShakerahF}}
32. {{checkuser|The open sockpuppet}}
33. {{checkuser|Thomas Sales}}
34. {{checkuser|Thomas Sayle}}
35. {{checkuser|Tom Sales}}
36. {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}}
37. {{checkuser|YPLR}}

{{Clerk Request}} The main account seems to be {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}}. Perhaps this should be refiled?

-- Avi (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• {{Clerk Request}} Question: does this mean I should change 'suspected' to 'confirmed' sock on his userpage, blank & redir everything? Or does the blocking admin handle that? [ roux ] [x] 20:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:Oh dear, might also want to check these, per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.74.33.152&oldid=228217954 this]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wafulz/Archive_20#Tom_Sayle_nonsense this] diff from Wafulz' page (I think he did the first Tom Sayle block) should also be handy.

{{checkuser|MaCMMJW}}

{{checkuser|GAJW1}}

:[ roux ] [x] 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

{{Likely}} -- Avi (talk) 20:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• {{clerknote}} Okay, case merged from Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Mr. SvMvP. Also all confirmed socks have been blocked & tagged appropriately. Tiptoety ^talk 21:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Thanks! -- Avi (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• {{checkuser|Tom Sayle}}
• {{checkip|79.74.0.0/17}}

• Code letter: C

• Supporting evidence: See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=246200717&oldid=246198048 this ANI report]. User:HalfShadow has been receiving numerous threatening vandalisms from the above IP range, and it seems likely that this range is used extensively by Tom Sayle. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=79.74&namespace=2]. A /17 range is quite large; if we could narrow this down to smaller ranges which could still be effective, perhaps it would remove the nuisance from a long-time sockpuppeteer and vandal. Per a suggestion from User:Rlevse, I have started this RFCU. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I semi-prot'd Half's talk page for a month last night. All the range block possibilities I tried came up /17 which would block over 32K IPs, which I'm not comfortable with. Therefore, this is {{deferred}} another CU for additional input. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• First off, {{likely}}-->{{confirmed}} that Tom Sayle is a reincarnation of {{checkuser|Andy Bjornovich}}, {{checkuser|Chris Wattson}} and {{checkuser|Mr. Secondattempt}}, both indef blocked for vandalism and harassment. Further new accounts include {{checkuser|Disliker of humanities}}, {{checkuser|Mathematiquizard}}, {{checkuser|Mr. Opensockpuppeter}}. AS far as the range is concerned, there are a handful of other editors besides Tom Sayle, and it is not possible to tie the vandal to any of them with a reasonable degree of certainty. There is a fair amount of IP vandalism from that range as well, so an anon only block would probably cause relatively little inconvenience for good faith users. Thatcher 13:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:{{clerknote}} Interesting that there is no user creation log for User:Mr. Secondattempt. Part of an ancient sleeper sock drawer? —Wknight94 (talk) 13:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:::User:Mr. Secondattempt is an SUL account created on wiktionary. Thatcher 18:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::::[http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Mr.+Secondattempt You learn something new every day...] —Wknight94 (talk) 18:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::Just to clarify, Thatcher, are you saying that you would, based on the checkuser evidence of the range listed above, support a 79.74.0.0/17 anon-only rangeblock? Just want to be clear that this is a good idea before we do it... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:::If the problem can be dealt with by semi-protecting Half's talk page, that would be the more conservative approach. On the other hand, an anon block on the range will have little collateral damage. Thatcher 18:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Thanks. If the problems stay contained to Half's talk page, then we shouldn't need to rangeblock. His talk page is semi-protected now. If this guy starts acting up again, and starts causing more wide ranging problems, I will consider it. Thanks. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)