Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Justinm1978
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=Summary=
{{usercheck-short|Justinm1978}} is a disruptive user who sole purpose is to POV push and harass users on Wikipedia. His conflict of interest with Greek fraternities and organizations, such as Alpha Phi Omega as well as the Boy Scouts cause him to POV war with editors, sometimes stalking their edits and harassing them to concede to his point of view. He also wikilawyers to gain the upper hand and also is insufficient in policy knowledge.
=Policies Violated=
=Evidence from [[User:Miranda|'''<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="color:green;">m</span><span style="color:#4CBB17;">ir</span><span style="color:#ADFF2F;">a</span><span style="color:#4CBB17;">nd</span><span style="color:green;">a</span></span>''']]=
I first encountered Justin when he changed "service" to "social" in all nine NPHC articles. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Kappa_Alpha&diff=prev&oldid=128146968], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zeta_Phi_Beta&diff=prev&oldid=128147470], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phi_Beta_Sigma&diff=prev&oldid=158759910], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omega_Psi_Phi&diff=prev&oldid=128147283], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&diff=prev&oldid=128147237],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&diff=prev&oldid=128147048],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=prev&oldid=128147113],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iota_Phi_Theta&diff=prev&oldid=128147172]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Gamma_Rho&diff=prev&oldid=128147374].
I later revert his changes. And, he reverts back, as seen with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20070600000000&limit=100&contribs=user&target=Justinm1978&year=2007&month=5his edit history in May]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=prev&oldid=128215945 He responds with "...charges of vandalism (which I see you have a history of making) are not valid."] Later, another editor Ccson who is a key editor on the Alpha Phi Alpha article, reverted Justin's edits as "vandalism". Justin later responds with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&diff=prev&oldid=128561264 reverting vandalism, user is not contributing to discussion on subject matter]. He also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=128564685 reports CCson to AIV in order for him to be blocked], even though it was a content dispute. The dispute was later solved with mediation seen below.
Another instance of Justin POV warring is deleting "Sorority/Fraternity, Incorporated" to articles without discussing the issues on the talk page. HistoricDST and I were trying to improve Delta Sigma Theta, Justin makes his POV known that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=159507931&oldid=159488584 Inc is redundant as all national GLO's are by nature incorporated.]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=next&oldid=159507931 I revert him noting that there are two DSTs, one professional and one which is a sorority]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=next&oldid=159520282 He later reverts me, then reverts himself, asking the question "is this about Delta Sigma Theta the business or the organization"]. I later [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=prev&oldid=159521272 revert him.]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=prev&oldid=159522109 When I address him to the mistake of treating some non profits as businesses], he responds with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=next&oldid=159522109 and I also thank you for being too myopic to see that I'm going through and cleaning up all articles, not just NPHC.]. FYI: Myopic is another word for narrowminded. He also doesn't use [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Iota_Omicron&diff=prev&oldid=171530626 edit summaries] when making these changes.
Also, I think he takes warnings too personally. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=next&oldid=159536426 I warn him not to brink 3RR and try to mediate with him, he blanks the content on his page]. Later, he responds on my page as interpreting it as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=next&oldid=159504520 threat and is uncivil]. Whenever, I revert him, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=prev&oldid=159537695 he reverts me on my talk page], which is in violation of TALK.
==Mediation Cases==
In order to make a type of consensus with this user, steps towards mediation were taken in order to reach a consensus. However, amid mediation, this user has continued to be disruptive. I feel as though if a request for comment were to be made, this user's behavior would not change.
- Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-06-29_Infobox_Fraternity
- ::Note: When making these reverts, he did not provide edit summaries (see below). This in my opinion can be mistaken for vandalism.
::# 00:19, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Zeta Phi Beta
::# 00:18, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Sigma Gamma Rho
::# 00:18, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Phi Beta Sigma
::# 00:18, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Omega Psi Phi
::# 00:17, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Kappa Alpha Psi
::# 00:17, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Iota Phi Theta
::# 00:17, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Delta Sigma Theta
::# 00:16, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Alpha Phi Alpha
::# 00:15, May 4, 2007 (hist) (diff) Alpha Kappa Alpha
- Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-09-22_Delta_Sigma_Theta
- ::Note: Even though I came to the compromise as a part of mediation that Sorority/Fraternity, Inc. would be deleted, and the incorporation date would be matched with the title. For example, in Alpha Kappa Alpha I put, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Kappa_Alpha#Cession_and_formation_of_Delta_Sigma_Theta:_1912.E2.80.931913|see a non-profit under the name Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated on January 30, 1913.], Justin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lambda_Theta_Nu&diff=prev&oldid=162514781 continues to delete Sorority/Fraternity, Incorporated] without researching the date that they were incorporated as a part of the compromise. While we are mediating for a decision, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Omega_Nu&diff=prev&oldid=164434088 Justin still continues] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Lambda_Alpha&diff=prev&oldid=164433961 to delete Sorority/Fraternity, Incorporated]. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Delta_Alpha&diff=prev&oldid=164433869 other] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pi_Lambda_Chi&diff=prev&oldid=164433784 examples] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamma_Phi_Omega&diff=prev&oldid=164433604 where he puts "copyedit" while POV pushing])
In both mediation cases, he did not provide an online source in order to prove his point. In the DST case, I provided sources to DST's website stating that DST's name is officially "Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated" on [http://www.deltasigmatheta.org/cms/ their website] which is verifiable. (see related discussion) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AMediation_Cabal%2FCases%2F2007-09-22_Delta_Sigma_Theta&diff=159889453&oldid=159889291 Even a Delta member admits that the organization is named Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated.] The lack of Justin providing sources in order to win an argument is considered original research.
==Other Examples removing "Sorority/Fraternity, Incorporated"==
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Psi_Kappa&diff=next&oldid=178661909 Kappa Psi Kappa]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta_Tau_Lambda&diff=prev&oldid=178661004 Delta Tau Lambda]
==Lack of encyclopedia contributions==
Instead of adding knowledge to the encyclopedia, Justin deletes unsourced facts, instead of finding sources for them. This behavior is counterproductive to the encyclopedia and shows ownership.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=147247102&oldid=145594916 seen here]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=next&oldid=147247102 here]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=next&oldid=147247435 here]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=next&oldid=152549060 and here to the point of Ownership].
==Revert warring via [[WP:PROD|PRODS]]==
I noticed in late December that an IP began to make proposed deletions on articles that I have worked on improving. This in my opinion constitutes stalking.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winona_Cargile_Alexander&diff=175297326&oldid=175235638 on Winona Cargile Alexander]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winona_Cargile_Alexander&diff=next&oldid=175297326 My revert]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Winona_Cargile_Alexander&diff=next&oldid=175435446 Justin's revert]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethel_Cuff_Black&diff=prev&oldid=175435818 Ethel Cuff Black]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethel_Cuff_Black&diff=next&oldid=175435818 Justin's revert]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethel_Cuff_Black&diff=175599586&oldid=175559856 Justin reverts again]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dorothy_Celeste_Boulding_Ferebee&diff=prev&oldid=175298226 On Dorothy Ferabee]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_McKinzie&diff=prev&oldid=175298428 On Barbara McKinzie]
- User_talk:Justinm1978#Reverting - Where I address him reverting prods.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:76.195.219.53&diff=prev&oldid=177375153 He blanks his IP user page with the incivil comment rm "warning" from user with vendetta]
==AFDs==
When I and another user were having a conflict regarding an article, Justin clearly [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAlpha_Kappa_Alpha&diff=174998682&oldid=174996766 makes his presence known] during which I was trying to make Alpha Kappa Alpha and List of Alpha Kappa Alpha sisters both featured. Two days later via IP (see above), he prods article pages. Several days later, Justin made two AFDs not soon after the IP prodded the pages. He also did not notify me that he was deleting the pages, which angered me.
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Myra_Hemmings
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nellie_Pratt_Russell
- I do admit that I AFD APO's founders because theoretically, he felt that organization's founders weren't notable. According to his reason, we should delete all organizations' founders because "founding an organization" is not notable, according to his reasoning. Yes, I agree, that's a violation of point, and I have learned from that mistake. There is also an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=176846844#A_user_disrupting_by_nominating_all_of_the_articles_that_I_have_worked_on_for_WP:AFD ANI thread about this where he refers to the accusations as rather hurtful accusation]. I am not being "hurtful", but just following protocol.
==ABF==
- Justin often assumes bad faith. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=prev&oldid=176747258 I mentioned to him that he was being discussed on ANI], he removes the conversation with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=prev&oldid=177219982 rm nonsense from user with vendetta]
- Soon after I compile evidence for this topic ban, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&curid=9021488&diff=206425626&oldid=206423987 he makes a claim of me "stalking him"], and later [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Justinm1978/rebuttal&diff=prev&oldid=206426408 makes a rebuttal], looking at my edits, my failed RFA and calling me uncivil. This can be seen as an attack page. What I am making is an editing restriction, not an attack page.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=prev&oldid=206423987 He admits that he doesn't look through the IP's edits before reverting]
==Template Harassment==
Per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omega_Psi_Phi&diff=next&oldid=188770005 this IP edit to Omega Psi Phi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=128.239.177.223&namespace=&year=&month=2 the IP's contributions in February]
Justin posted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:128.239.177.223&diff=prev&oldid=193655519 three separate warnings on a user's page for the same offense in order to prove that Service fraternities are not social fraternities]. In my opinion, one warning should suffice. Also, not all new users know the difference between "social" and "service" fraternities. He has also template harassed Allstarecho (see below in Allstarecho's section).
==Violations of 3RR==
Regarding 3RR, I don't think Justin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justinm1978&diff=prev&oldid=182553644 understands what 3RR means]. The three revert rule does not mention censoring. Only in cases of obvious vandalism, 3RR should be used. However, he has violated 3RR based on content disputes. He has violated 3RR in the past with his POV pushing. (2 of them)
==On [[Talk:Sigma Alpha Mu]]==
Justin reinserted comments based upon talk page history. According to WP:CIVIL, comments can be deleted if they are uncivil. Also, see this discussion in his talk page regarding his uncivil behavior relating removing/deleting of talk page comments.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sigma_Alpha_Mu&diff=prev&oldid=182332801 1st]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sigma_Alpha_Mu&diff=prev&oldid=182424415 2nd]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sigma_Alpha_Mu&diff=prev&oldid=182551557 3rd]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sigma_Alpha_Mu&diff=prev&oldid=182624692 4th]
===On [[Blogcritics]]===
Justin violated 3RR by reverting five times on this article in a twenty-four hour period.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blogcritics&diff=prev&oldid=189727673 1st]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blogcritics&diff=prev&oldid=189736979 2nd]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blogcritics&diff=prev&oldid=189767054 3rd]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blogcritics&diff=next&oldid=189768518 4th]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blogcritics&diff=next&oldid=189773260 5th]
==Inadequate page moving==
- Later, he moves his page to users who don't exist. (see user's log)
- 11:53, January 7, 2008 Justinm1978 (Talk | contribs) moved User talk:Justinm19782 to User talk:Justinm19783 (revert)
- 11:52, January 7, 2008 Justinm1978 (Talk | contribs) moved User talk:Justinm1978 to User talk:Justinm19782 (revert)
==Other evidence==
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sammy_Seminole&diff=205822185&oldid=205770941 Inability to decipher vandalism from improving the encyclopedia] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sammy_Seminole&diff=next&oldid=205822185 this was later reverted])
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Pan-Hellenic_Council&diff=prev&oldid=206334487 Inability to assume good faith by reverting IP edits]. (confirmed on article's page)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Pan-Hellenic_Council&diff=next&oldid=206334487 my revert]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=prev&oldid=199201788 Another instance] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say&diff=prev&oldid=199361774 IP later reverts])
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chief_Osceola_and_Renegade&diff=prev&oldid=205685861 Reverts], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chief_Osceola_and_Renegade&diff=next&oldid=205696277 people's edits], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chief_Osceola_and_Renegade&diff=next&oldid=205771564 without checking sources] on topics unfamiliar to him. And later, refers to the POV pushing as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chief_Osceola_and_Renegade&diff=prev&oldid=205780322 bias against this and is not civil.], despite other persons' concensus who are reverting him on the information. In order to prove verifiability, Jason needs to show evidence of a fact without POV pushing. He has since not shown any evidence to back up his research, which is considered original research. He also refers to WP:BIAS, a policy that doesn't exist.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fair_and_Accurate_Credit_Transactions_Act&diff=next&oldid=188072592 Deletes uncited and updated information, calling it "POV"]. - most Wikipedia articles have uncited facts, but I do not agree that he should delete content if it is not unsourced.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana-Champaign&diff=prev&oldid=197380159 POV in articles that he is closely affiliated with (i.e. school)] (see userpage) ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana-Champaign&diff=next&oldid=197389216 rv - did you read all of what you're citing, or just homing in on one word? this isn't a small school, it's the state's flagship school.])
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3AOphigcrest.gif&diff=194549933&oldid=194547198 adds "delete no fair use rationale" even though fair use rationale is provided]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Ophigcrest.gif&diff=prev&oldid=194562885 When a user deletes the notice] (because a fair use rationale is provided), [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Ophigcrest.gif&diff=next&oldid=194562885 Justin rv's the user].
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:UBX/APO&diff=prev&oldid=174184157 Tries to delete a userbox for APO], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:UBX/APO&diff=prev&oldid=191567165 after being rejected, says "+speedydelete, this time with a real defense"]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Illinois_at_Springfield&diff=186889487&oldid=186865132 Assuming bad faith about consensus "screw it, I don't feel like fighting this battle...."] (Violation of Wikipedia is not a battle)
- Bad faith checkuser
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Justinm1978/rebuttal&diff=prev&oldid=206567518 Stalks my notebook and yells "slander" when I am not even finished with compiling evidence] (Wikilawyering)
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Justinm1978&diff=prev&oldid=206486039 Trolling].
=Evidence Presented by [[User:Allstarecho|ALLStarecho]]=
History:
==Sigma Nu==
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Nu&diff=186972310&oldid=186972191 Allstar reverts unexplained "blanking"] of content by an IP.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Nu&diff=186973227&oldid=186973208 Allstar reverts unexplained "blanking"] of content by same IP again.
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Nu&diff=186977446&oldid=186973227 Justin reverts Allstar's reverts]
- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=prev&oldid=186977798 Justin templates ALLStar twice with two templates (one on sourcing/copyvio and one on advertising)], something which clearly did not occur.
==Userbox issue==
- Justin disagrees with a userbox created by Allstarecho and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Allstarecho/Archive_7#Scouting_userboxes removes it] from Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes not [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Userboxes&diff=192162191&oldid=191723479 once] but [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Userboxes&diff=196601913&oldid=196588492 twice]. After [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Userboxes&diff=196605795&oldid=196601913 another user] reverts Justin, he lists the userbox for MfD. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Allstarecho/scouts. The userbox is deleted.
- Allstar creates another similar userbox without the content which Justin found dubious. Justin lists it for MfD as well. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Allstarecho/cfireusa. With an obvious outcome of "Keep", Justin requests that the MfD be closed, and it was a "Keep" - even though withdrawal is against policy once !votes have been stated and such "fD" processes should run their course once people have weighed in.
==Editing of Allstar's userpage==
Justin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=203276375&oldid=203213662 removes red linked categories] from Allstar's userpage while Allstar has informed everyone that he is on wikibreak due to his home burning down. Justin's edit summary states, "clean up, remove categoy per WP:CfD , he'll revevrt it back if he wants to". Considering their history, he shouldn't have engaged in this provocation. If Allstar wanted the cats removed, he would have done it himself. Justin decided to do it and make Allstar do the work to revert. Instead of "he'll revert if he wants to", Justin shouldn't have touched it. Further, it is safe to assume that as much time as Justin has spent talking on Allstar's talk page, he couldn't have missed the big red box at the top that says not to remove red linked user cats from Allstar's page. Regardless, with their history, he shouldn't be editing anything on Allstar's userpage unless it's to leave a comment. This is more proof of him stalking Allstar.
==List of cabals issue==
- Allstar [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=197667306&oldid=197495188 adds the "Boy Scouts Cabal"] to Wikipedia:List of cabals, a humor page. The content does not mention any one individual by name. It follows the same pattern as all other entries found on the same list.
- As retaliation, Justin attacks the "Gay Cabal" by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=198656034&oldid=198569113 adding content to its entry].
- Allstar doesn't remove Justin's new content addition to "Gay Cabal" but [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=198662021&oldid=198656034 adds the very same content to the "Boy Scouts Cabal"].
- Justin decides to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=205072341&oldid=204103752 remove] the "Boy Scouts Cabal" all together, almost a month later, as well as the attack content he added to the "Gay Cabal", with an edit summary admitting even his own additions were an attack, stating " rm attack, humor has its place, but this was added with the intent to attack, which isn't humorous.". It is of course important to note that what may not be humorous to some, is to others.
- Allstar [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=205122850&oldid=205072341 reverts] Justin's removal with an edit summary stating, "it wasn't added with the intent to attack so it stays." That should have been the end of the matter. Justin's failure to assume good faith further manifests itself when he reverts Allstar's revert 3 more times: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=205128974&oldid=205123210] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=205262356&oldid=205238871] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=206006883&oldid=205995759].
- An IP [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=206345034&oldid=206202482 reverts Justin].
- Justin again [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=206353035&oldid=206345034 removes the content].
- Justin "reports" Allstar at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive402#Incivility_on_Wikipedia:List_of_cabals Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents] and at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&oldid=206464844#Incivility_on_Wikipedia:List_of_cabals Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts].
- 8 days after Justin's reports to ANI and WA, and no admins having replied to Justin's reports, Allstar [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207636467&oldid=206586143 restored the content]
- Allstar is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207722797&oldid=207636467 reverted by user HouseOfScandal] with an edit summary stating, "Sorry, I think this BSC stuff is antagonistic in its intent."
- Allstar [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207726392&oldid=207722797 reverts HouseOfScandal] with an edit summary stating, "Then you should assume good faith. This whole page could be considered antagonistic. It's called humor."
- Justin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207751166&oldid=207726392 reverts Allstar] with an edit summary stating, "please continue to discuss on talk page, thank you"
- Allstar [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207755195&oldid=207751166 reverts Justin] with an edit summary stating, "Exactly, discuss it before you remove it again."
- Justin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=207755851&oldid=207755195 reverts Allstar] with an edit summary stating, "three unrelated users have removed this now, and only you have put it back, that should say something." - failing, of course, to mention the others that have reverted him.
==Other==
- Incivility: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Allstarecho&diff=197790079&oldid=197786653]
- Trolling: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAllstarecho&diff=203276375&oldid=203213662]
- Tries to bait ASE b/c he's a part of the gay cabal with this edit as a retaliation of the UBX issue''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_cabals&diff=prev&oldid=198656034]
=Evidence Presented by Alan.ca=
Justin's behavior on the talk page of Sigma Alpha Mu felt out of context and disruptive. A civil content debate was taking place between myself and several other parties. An anonymous uncivil comment was inserted into the discussion. I attempted to remove the remark, but Justin insisted this anonymous comment should remain by reverting my removal of the text. I resolved the matter after ignoring Justin when a Wikipedia Administrator interjected and asked for one of us to be mature and move on. Alan.ca (talk) 03:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
=Conclusions/Notes=
- First, in my opinion, Justin hasn't contributed to the encyclopedia constructively to add knowledge, except to disrupt the process and to harass other users. Justin does not know policies and dealing with Justin is an absolute waste of the community's time. My proposition is for Justin to adhere to the need to acquaint himself to Wikipedia policies, or I will file for editing restrictions or ban (depending on the severity of the situation).
- Second, this RFC is necessary because, I feel that the user would continue his POV despite being warned by others that his behavior disruptive, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJustinm1978&diff=206435790&oldid=206426474 soapboxing even when I gathered evidence for restrictions]. I absolutely do not think this user has the community's goals at heart, and only contributions is revert warring editors (established or not) in order to argue with them.
- Third, (clarification) I wasn't forum shopping for comments, as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Justinm1978/rebuttal&diff=next&oldid=206625783 Justin claims here], and someone else claims here. I was compiling evidence in order to present to the community on Justin's behavior, so that my evidence wouldn't be biased.
- Fourth, while compiling evidence in my sandbox, this was nominated for deletion by HiDrNick but the result was kept.
- Fifth, comments from outside parties during the evidence phase are moved to the talk page. miranda 13:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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Response from Justinm1978
I am interspersing my response throughout the RfC, and will add a summary conclusion here. Justinm1978 (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC) It has been requested that i not intersperse and only give my response here, so I will do that here.
Note: This section is not complete. I will have completed my response when this notice is removed.
- Regarding the four diffs posted in this section, I could not find any sources to validate those articles, so they were pulled, per WP:V, where Jimbo Wales specifically states "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced.". I couldn't find a source to back up those statements I found to be suspect, so they were removed. I fail to see how that is owning an article. Justinm1978 (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's pretty obvious here that I was attempting to manually archive my userpage, and botched the process, and asked for an admin to correct it for me, since I couldn't figure out how to correct it myself (link to my request for fix). Justinm1978 (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- She accuses me of violating 3RR on this article 5 times in 24 hours, but does not note that the user and the IP I was reverting was a sockpuppet of User:JohnBambenek, as shown by this checkuser. Reverting vandalism is not taking ownership, nor is it violating 3RR. The irony here is that Miranda actively reverts any contributions that are suspected to be from User:Mykungfu whether or not it is determined if the contributing user is a sockpupppet or not. When she does it, it is protecting the encyclopedia but when I do it, it is disruptive? Justinm1978 (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Outside views
=Outside View by [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]]=
Entire proposal lacks merit; in examining the contributions (removals of unsourced material; correcting errors of fact in articles, etc. etc.) it appears that the editor has edited in good faith. This proposal appears tendentious and lacking in merit.
Users who endorse this summary:
- Badagnani (talk) 14:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- Most of these issues lack any sort of merit whatsoever, and after closer examination, are not violations of policy. I have attempted to contact miranda on this issue [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=206728210&oldid=206641938 here], pointing out many of these inconsistencies, to which she responded, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&diff=206728744&oldid=206728210 No he has continued his behavior with other users, so this is not just between 'me and him'.]" To me, it looks like many of these editorial disputes can be solved simply by finding better citations, since most of the pages being edited here are not very well cited with reliable sources. If anything, moderation by a neutral party would be good; but outright banning is not an appropriate solution here (if banning is the answer, then miranda should be banned just as much as justinm1978). Dr. Cash (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Refusal of Miranda for moderation is found at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Miranda&oldid=206512435]. I support moderation before action (if any) is taken. Naraht (talk) 14:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- I can't see any serious problems here. Extremely nit picky dirt digging. Given time an RfC like this could be compiled on almost any long time user. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)