Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dilpreet Singh/Archive

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Talks of the same "state-backed media" and human bombs Special:Permalink/1146222910#No evidence he was training 'human bomb' squads. Should not be using Indian-state backed media as references. vs Talk:Amritpal Singh (activist)/Archive 1#Nonsense like "human bomb squads' consisting of brainwashed" should be removed Quacks like a duck — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:I made a genuine arguement and this is how low you will go. Shameless. Uproot Tyranny (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

I think we can't be sure as many accounts are using this biased media argument but on the personal attack part, it does look similar to Dilpreet Singh (speaking as a target of his attacks).Mixmon (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:Look, I don't know you personally, I simply pointed out how you attempted to make 2 pages for 2 Hindu Nationalists that were deleted. I felt it was important to note because you were passionately defending the Indian Government's narrative of events. I do not consider that a personal attack at all because that is all I did, I didn't insult you or make petty remarks.

:If anything, trying to silence my voice for making the same arguement as Dilpreet Singh by launching this investigation seems like a text-book personal attack to me. Uproot Tyranny (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• :Should also mention, that account is not mine but a colleague's who has probably logged in when visiting. Also to reiterate: I am not Dilpreet Singh lol Uproot Tyranny (talk) 21:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• ::Above comment moved from the admin section, and refers to Zumerock _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::Thanks for the move @Rosguill, was unsure where I ought to put this. In response to the timing: Any admin can check the history of the Talk page in question and can see that neither me nor Dilpreet Singh were the first ones to bring this issue up. Even if it seems suspect that I argued the same thing around the same time, there were a multitude of requests to change/remove what me and Dilpreet Singh pointed out.
• :::I presume that people like Dax & Extorc have the ability to see this? In fact they know it wasn't just me and Dilpreet Singh raising the subject because they were the ones rejecting it. Since they know this what was the real intention of trying to investigate me?
• :::I don't mean to accuse anyone, it just seems highly improbable to me that the people who launched the investigation genuinely believed I was Dilpreet Singh. For me, what gave me a raised eyebrow was the taunt Dax made against me when launching this whole thing; "Quacks like a duck" Uproot Tyranny (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• ::::Its's not a taunt
• ::::Please see this - WP:DUCK Mixmon (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::::Ah fair enough. Other than the last bit, my point still stands. Uproot Tyranny (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::::Me and Dilpreet Singh were not the only ones suggesting this in the past 2/3 days. This timeframe is short, therefore the others would have given off the Duck thing too no? Uproot Tyranny (talk) 22:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::::Also, do you honestly expect me to believe that when comparing what I've written to what Dilpreet Singh has written, that someone as smart as you ;) and Dax thought I was him? One glance at what I've written compared to him would've been enough for anyone to tell that I wasn't him lol Uproot Tyranny (talk) 22:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• ::::::Just to clarify, I am not making or deciding on any allegations here. I am not an expert on sockpuppetry Mixmon (talk) 22:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::::::Not surprised. Uproot Tyranny (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Tone of writing, grammar usage and competency, and English-language mannerisms are completely different between the two accounts. Fail to see any connection aside from them both questioning the Amritpal Singh article’s WP:balance and WP:NPOV (which can apply to a lot of other users who had shared their concerns in the talk page). I don’t have any comments to make about the Zumerock account’s connection to the accused user. ThethPunjabi (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• These accounts don't look similar technically, but they are both using proxies so I'm not sure how much faith I put in the data. {{behav}}. I'll note that, if Uproot Tyranny is blocked (either as a suspected sock, or for disruption), they can be considered as {{confirmed}} to the long-dormant account {{noping|Zumerock}}. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• While the timing of Uproot Tyranny's appearance is extremely suspect, I agree with ThethPunjabi that their mannerisms do not match the blocked account. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• I've blocked Uproot Tyranny as NOTHERE.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Closing. Note that {{np|Zumerock}} is unblocked, but that account hasn't edited in 2016. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• :I don't disagree with the block, but I think that UT's explanation about Zumerock belonging to a colleague is plausible given that account's unrelated editing history. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:38, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Note I have blocked {{noping|Zumerock}} - when I said 'confirmed', I meant it - the technical data is exceptionally clear-cut, and for too compelling for me to come close to buying the above story. Courtesy pings to {{u|Spicy}} and {{u|Rosguill}}. Girth Summit _(blether) 12:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

:*{{re|Girth Summit}} What about {{checkuser|CrusaderForTruth2023}}? Same kind of username and intersection/obsession at Talk:Amritpal Singh (activist). Very old account (but so is Zumerock) with long gaps in editing, the latest being 2021 and this month. Actively editing when you ran your check, but given your comment about proxies, you might not have run across them.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

:*:CrusaderForTruth2023 looks different - I don't think they're the same person. They have recently created an alternate account, but so far they have not used it to edit any of the same subjects that CFT23 has edited. I will draw their attention to our sockpuppetry policies. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 13:27, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

::IMO it's not terribly important because the account is inactive, but given the age disparity and Zumerock's predominant focus on EDM topics, I think it's plausible that they're someone else. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

:::{{u|Rosguill}} I'll e-mail you. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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