Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kjp007

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{{sock list|1=Senapatiji|2=Rudrapratapsinh Dhadhal|3=Kjpwiki|4=Raghvendra99674010|5=KathiWarriorDarbar|6=Digveejay 13|7=Jayveerwala|tools_link=yes}}

Senapatiji/Kjp007 is not new here and uses new accounts to add rejected content (when someone rejects the content, a new account shows up). It is a bigger issue than id thought

The pattern is to keep reverting content back to the information in [https://peopleofindia1868-1875photos.blogspot.com/2016/03/kathi-darbar.html this 2016 blog post]: Kathiawad horses, sun worship, Sankhyavat and Auratia divisions, the proverb ("time forgets"), unsourced lists of princely states (see how Sitush calls it "usual" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=780183830]), the title "Darbar" for the group.

Kjp007 made the original account to show that Patgirs are Kathi people [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patgir_caste&diff=next&oldid=479475900]. Most of these accounts have been editing the Kathi people page.

1. Uses James Tod to write that Kathis are Rajputs, not peasants

Senapatiji: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1280251683]; Kjpwiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1274699519], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1274701037]

1b. Other Tod citations

Aniruddhdhadhal99674010: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=774418199]

1c. Removing "peasants"

Digveejay 13 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1102915755]

1d. OBC designation removal, replacing with "Darbar" and other titles

KathiWarriorDarbar: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1251514824]; accounts with name variation of Divyaraj/Divyasinh as far back as 2013; they also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=909951169 cite Tod].

Kjpwiki in the discussion about "Darbar" [Talk:Kathi people#Name Change to Kathi Darbar

2. Interest in Jogidas Khuman

Senapatiji has been redoing the Jogidas Khuman entry: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jogidas_Khuman&action=history]; Aniruddhbhaidhadhal on Kathi people: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=prev&oldid=752605203]; Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal on Kathi people [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=789799779]

3. Objecting to sourced Pavagadh content in Kathi people

Senapatiji: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1280023329], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1280257377]; Rudrapratapsinh Dhadhal: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1252218874]

4. Cites Najbhai Vala

Senapatiji: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1280203909]; Jayveervala: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arjayay&diff=prev&oldid=695887481] (calls it "my book")

5. Removes sourced information about Kathi people's marriage with Ahir people, considered offensive by this persson [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1251513495] ("derogatory" and "bias" - though cited)

Kjpwiki: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1111069844]; Rudrapratapsinh Dhadhal: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1252216190]; KathiWarriorDarbar: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1251504082], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1251513495] Deegvijay 13: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1102915755]

6. Horses

Raghvendra99674010 has the same numbers as Aniruddhdhadhal99674010 and adds the same horse content [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=792848108]

Digveejay 13 (typical of other Kjp accounts - connected the breed to the Kathi people) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1104173950]

7. Writing style: "clarify" and lists of questions

numbered list of questions by Senapatiji: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIndian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great&diff=1283213500&oldid=1283208364]; Kjpwiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKathi_people&diff=1280458451&oldid=1280342027] asking "Could you please clarify" about the same colonial references. Two weeks later, Senapatiji asked "Could you please clarify" in the same thread [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKathi_people&diff=1283226761&oldid=1281001970]. Drew Stanley (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:James Tod definitively "is from 'unreliable source'"
See discussions: Talk:Kathi people#Regarding removal of James Tod reference{{pb}}See agreement of editors in the edit history: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=1280347245&oldid=1280341565], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=prev&oldid=1279345194], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=prev&oldid=1274701037], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1111318984], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=961249119], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=prev&oldid=780184463], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=793015006], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=780184323]{{pb}}Same for the Khachar source
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathi_people&diff=next&oldid=1280240885] Drew Stanley (talk) 17:01, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::It's not the source authored by Khachar, this is the correct link [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=1280361619]. Senapatiji (talk) 🏴‍☠️ 06:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Senapatiji's Response

This user, Drew Stanley is misusing the SPI to prevent genuine contributors, like me, from editing. He had filed similar SPI against me which was closed on April 5, 2025 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Senapatiji/Archive], with a note by CU/Administrator that there was no socking there. Now he has come up with a new SPI where he is digging the edit histories and trying to prove me a sockpuppet and get me blocked one way or other. As rightly pointed out by the Admin [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Kjp007&diff=prev&oldid=1284624978], It's important to note that he is refiling this SPI without mentioing the earlier SPI which was just closed 3 days before.

Look at the time line of some of his "evidences";

• 2012 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=479475900&title=Patgir_caste],
• 2015 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=695887481&title=User_talk:Arjayay],
• 2016 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=752605203&title=Kathi_people],
• 2017 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=774418199&title=Kathi_people] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=789799779&title=Kathi_people] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=792848108&title=Kathi_people],
• 2019 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=909951169&title=Kathi_people,]

Like seriously? I can't even imagine that someone can accuse me of sockpuppetry because some users had made some edits, a "decade ago". During his first SPI, I assumed that he is doing this in a good faith, and since I knew that I had done nothing wrong, I tried to defend myself in a detailed manner [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Senapatiji/Archive] to clear things up. But now I'm hundred percent sure that this SPI is being filed in a bad faith.

The reason behind all these is that I tried to stop ([https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drew_Stanley&diff=prev&oldid=1283215057] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=1283213500] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=1283216952]) his outright removal (without a discussion) [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=1283186239] of sourced content which, he think, is from 'unreliable source'. Instead of having a good conversation with me, he is doing all these.

I request Administrators to take a close look into this and please take necessary actions to avoid such bad faith SPIs in future. Thanks Senapatiji (talk) 🏴‍☠️ 04:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:Drew Stanley has mentioned 7 suspects in this SPI and 3 suspects in his previous SPI [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Senapatiji/Archive], But in both of SPIs, his primary focus is on Senapatiji (Me). In first SPI he accused me of being a Sockmaster, now he is accusing me of being a Sockpuppet. He is comparing only my edits with the edits of all other editors. He is suddenly worrying so much about a page Kathi people in which he has made no edits. In my opinion Drew Stanley does not have a concern for the content, rather his concern is how can he get rid of Senapatiji (Me). Senapatiji (talk) 🏴‍☠️ 05:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

• Refiling Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Senapatiji without at least referencing it is not usually a good look. Izno (talk) 19:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
• :done Drew Stanley (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
• :Drew Stanley is directly approaching Administrator on their talk page [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers&diff=prev&oldid=1284774858] regarding this SPI. I don't know what it means but looks suspicious. Senapatiji (talk) 🏴‍☠️ 03:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
• {{moreinfo}} At present I'm inclined to close this with no action. The users listed are largely already blocked or very stale. The evidence presented about the active unblocked accounts is extremely weak - I see evidence of shared POV but nothing more. I will leave this open for a little while longer to see if the OP can provide more substantive evidence. Vanamonde93 (talk) 01:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
• CU Note: Reviewing checkusers may wish to review Ticket#2025040910001366 (CU-VRT) for additional information. Risker (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
• :Convenience link if anyone else is also feeling lazy: Ticket:2025040910001366. --Blablubbs (talk) 15:02, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

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