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The recent editing at 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes shows some suspicious pattern. Oatitonimly starts to actively edit that article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Oatitonimly&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=2016&month=4 on April 6], OptimusView chimes in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/OptimusView&offset=20160413050826&target=OptimusView on 8 April]. Before that Oatitonimly has been relatively dormant, with several periods of inactivity (such as between March 4 and March 15, 2016). The Wikitruth24 account was established on April 19, 2016, after the 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes, and since then focused almost exclusively on that article. Since the end of May these three accounts start to edit the 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes interchangeably. On June 4, for instance, Wikitruth24 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=723659317&oldid=723654170 reverted] an edit about the territorial changes, later Oatitonimly [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724026413&oldid=724026343 reverts] the territorial changes again to the previous version, then comes OptimusView to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724200295&oldid=724198302 revert] the same again, after that Oatitonimly [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724558408&oldid=724438222 reverts] exactly the same place once more. The article is on 1-revert restriction due to WP:ARBAA2 and OptimusView [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brandmeister&diff=722440641&oldid=721821498 is aware of that], as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oatitonimly&diff=724035075&oldid=724033881 is Oatitonimly]. Such pattern looks like an attempt to avoid it. Brandmeister^talk 11:11, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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• This is complete nonsense. Brandmeister says me editing on April 6 and new user Wikitruth24 editing on April 8 is suspicious, but he forgets to mention [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&type=revision&diff=713208257&oldid=713207758 THE ARTICLE WAS CREATED ON APRIL 2]. So naturally, everyone who edits the article does so within a few days of each other. The 2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes is a hot topic about a recent controversial event with already a large editing history, so naturally a lot of accounts were made within the first few days to to edit it.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SeniorTruth][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Danypalmyra][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rufat_152][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orxan_Hac%C4%B1zad%C9%99] I've been a member of Wikipedia for over a year, so that would be some dedication if OptimusView created me just to use over a year later for an article that didn't exist yet (lol).

:I've looked at the few diffs provided, and only [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724200295&oldid=724198302 one minor] was similar. This is beyond insufficient. The users [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=721001029&oldid=720945616 Interfase], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=723872319&oldid=723865390 Parishan], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724657801&oldid=724607964 Grandmaster] all made edits on this same line that were copies of Brandmeister's edit. Does that mean they must be his socks? Grandmaster and Brandmeister made the exact same edit one day apart.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724438222&oldid=724334030][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes&diff=724657801&oldid=724607964] Coincidence? Of course not, what to put here is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_Armenian%E2%80%93Azerbaijani_clashes#Section_break currently a hotly debated subject on the talk page] so of course other editors are going to be for or against it.

:Just to leave no accusation standing, Brandmeister alleged me or OptimusView created Wikitruth to bypass the WP:ARBAA2 1-revert rule on the article (even though no admin has enforced it yet). He doesn't point out that my alert to this ban came on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oatitonimly&diff=724035075&oldid=724033881 June 6]. That's two months after Wikitruth joined and these edits happened! OptimusView acknowledged topic bans as recently as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brandmeister&diff=722440641&oldid=721821498 May 28]. It's bizarre that Brandmeister is making such accusations with no actual evidence, it's very much assuming bad faith on his part. Or maybe he thinks the dispute will be settled by banning everyone who disagrees with him. This should be closed for insufficient evidence (an understatement). --Oatitonimly (talk) 03:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

::I would endorse this request. I also have suspicions about these accounts, and a CU would help clear the situation. One can see from the contributions history that the account of Oatitonimly is mostly used to make rvs on contentious Armenia related articles. It is quite possible that someone is using it for that particular purpose. Also, if Oatitonimly has any suspicions about me, he is welcome to file a CU, and I would also endorse it. If you have nothing to be afraid of, it should not be a problem to go through a check. Grandmaster 09:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

:::Nothing to hide argument is a violation of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser#CheckUser_and_privacy_policy Checkuser privacy policy], simply put. CheckUsers asked to run a check must ask for (and be given) clear evidence that a check is appropriate and necessary. The onus is on an individual CheckUser to explain, if challenged, why a check was run. Do not make any presumptions, no matter who asks. No reasonable evidence has been provided for a check, so this would violate WP:NOTFISHING. --Oatitonimly (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

• Group 1 – the following accounts are {{confirmed}} to each other:
• {{checkuser|OptimusView}}
• {{checkuser|Lkahd}}
• {{checkuser|Sitzuan}}
• {{checkuser|Anmoruk}}
• Group 2 – the following accounts are {{confirmed}} to each other and {{unrelated}} to Group 1:
• {{checkuser|Oatitonimly}}
• {{checkuser|Hyrudagon}}
• {{checkuser|Droyselich}}
• {{checkuser|Pogosof}}
• {{checkuser|Fransoici}}
• {{checkuser|Steverci}}
• {{checkuser|Kaslabat}}
• Wikitruth24 is {{unrelated}} to Groups 1 and 2.
• Blocked and tagged the accounts in Group 1.
• Blocked and tagged the accounts in Group 2 with Steverci as the master. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Steverci. Steverci was indefinitely blocked for sock puppetry on February 20, 2015. He was unblocked on March 5, 2015, with the understanding that he would not create new accounts (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steverci&oldid=649930547 discussion at the bottom of the page]). The clerk should add this report to that case.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
• {{done}}, copied to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Steverci and closed. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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