Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saturnian/Archive

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===<big>04 December 2011</big>===

;Suspected sockpuppets

{{checkuser|1=Arutdeal}}
{{checkuser|1=MJK50}}
{{checkuser|1=LegionG}}

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Saturnian is a Romanian editor currently trying to move the Alexander John Cuza article to a non-anglicised name. He has been switching the two forms of the name in many other articles and has been accusing other editors of being anti-Romanian if they resisted this. He also canvased 8 other editors to the requested move discussion. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20111202155009&limit=9&target=Saturnian] Only two of these have reacted so far, and both have supported the move: Codrinb and Terraflorin.

Arutdeal (about 23 hours after the canvasing) and MJK50 (about 24 hours after Arutdeal) both voted in the discussion to support the move, each as its only edit in the global contributions. [http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Arutdeal&blocks=true] [http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=MJK50&blocks=true]

LegionG, a relatively recent account with little activity, very quickly supported the move 3 1/2 hours before the canvasing. The account has 4 edits on the English Wikipedia spread over the three months since account creation, one (related) Commons upload, and 3 edits to the Romanian Wikipedia 2 months ago. Of the latter, the first two were to an article previously edited by Saturnian. [http://toolserver.org/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=LegionG] Hans Adler 16:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

====Comments by other users====

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====Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments====

{{Endorse}} - My guess is meatpuppetry on this, but I'll endorse to find out. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 17:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Arutdeal and LegionG are {{likely}} matches to Saturnian. MJK50 is technically {{unrelated}}; meatpuppetry would be a better explanation than sockpuppetry. WilliamH (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
{{adminnote}} Blocked and tagged the two confirmed socks; master blocked 1 day. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 21:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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===<big>06 December 2011</big>===

;Suspected sockpuppets

{{checkIP|1=79.116.230.156}}

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Two IPs from the same Bucarest DSL range ({{ip|79.116.208.252}} and {{ip|79.116.236.209}}) had made very similar, also extremely poor edits to {{la|Protochronism}} on 30 July 2011. That timing appears consistent with Saturnian, as does the present IP's sudden reappearance now that Saturnian has been blocked for socking. I saw the new edits earlier on my watchlist, but was then also alerted by User:Dahn, who observed that one of the sources [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDn7yEijrUoJ:www.ioanscurtu.ro/content/view/102/1/+ioan+aurel+pop+vs+lucian+boia&cd=3&hl=ro&ct=clnk&gl=ro] is related to {{la|Alexander John Cuza}}. The discussion style of the IP appears similar to that of Saturnian. Hans Adler 01:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

:As checkuser has been declined: Dahn wasn't completely sure, and I am in the same situation. I guess one could argue for a DUCK block, but I wouldn't want to take responsibility for that. Hans Adler 10:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

::To HelloAnnyong: Yes, sorry I forgot to explicitly withdraw this request after the dialogue below. I was under the mistaken impression that checkusers do connect IPs that have edited openly with accounts under specific circumstances that seemed satisfied here, or I would not have filed it in the first place. Hans Adler 16:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

====Comments by other users====

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For more than one year I have an IP address starting with 188.

I do not live in Bucarest/Bucharest/București.

I never edited Protochronism.

I do not make "extremely poor edits".

Question: Accounts that are "Likely" sock-puppetry means "Confirmed" sock-puppetry? How do you call this? For me that sound as ... abuse. And as consequence several accounts are now blocked for no clear reason. Saturnian (talk) 05:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

:: Hans, I start by saying I do not like Saturnian.

:: These being said, I don't think that's a sock of Saturnian. First, that editor [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.116.236.209 contributed] (and also from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.116.208.252 this IP]) to that article in July 2011 (it's not only the IP range, but his first edit from Dec 5 had this summary: "revert to previous version, all critics are viabile - see the talk page as well"). Second, he uses a very different language (spelling, wording, mistakes). Third, the key element in this case is not Cuza, but the editor's grudge against some scholars (Boia, Verdery).

:: Perhaps it doesn't matter that much, but I think the guy's first name is Răzvan and he wrote a lot of similar stuff on various forums, often under the name Diegis. Same attitude, same topics, same arguments (or "arguments"), same language. Daizus (talk) 09:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

:::I am not Diegis, nor Răzvan and I did not post on forums except KML posts. I hope that your like/dislike feeling about Diegis/Răzvan/other did not influenced your like/dislike feeling about me. -- Have a nice day, Saturnian (talk) 13:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

:::: I know you are not that guy. As I pointed out, you don't think the same and you don't write the same. Daizus (talk) 13:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)